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Boehner: Obama should negotiate on debt, but not with me

Sounds like it's time for the Senate to consider what the People want too. But since they are led by the left, their sense of superiority will not allow them to. It seems likely the shutdown will happen and the Republicans will be blamed. And the Democrat voters will believe it because they are starstruck idiots.

It's not just the left in the Senate - saw McCain on CNN earlier pontificating as only he can about how they won't vote for any bill that defunds Obamacare so it's a non-starter.
 
It's not just the left in the Senate - saw McCain on CNN earlier pontificating as only he can about how they won't vote for any bill that defunds Obamacare so it's a non-starter.

McCain's a dick...

Good afternoon jcj...
 
Boehner is not being portrayed as a villain: he is being portrayed as incapable of handling his position as speaker of the house. The affordable care act may not be the best attempt at reforming healthcare system, But obama has managed to pass a bill that tries to something previous presidents who have failed to pass similar bills that reform the healthcare system.

The affordable care act, for all of its flaws, is the first healthcare reform bill that any president has sucessfully signed into law, and that is why it is historic.

And that historical achievement is now a hostage, the required sacrifice needed to allow the government to function and raise the debt ceiling.

The debt ceiling is not something to bargain over, the full faith and credit of the united states government should not be risked to satisfy one parties obsession in destroying something they view as ideological blasphemy.

So let's get this straight - you applaud Obama and Democrats for adopting healthcare legislation, without any Republican support, that the majority of the American people don't want - but you criticize Boehner for agreeing to pass a bill with mostly Republican support that represents what the majority of Republican members got elected on and that the majority of their constituents want them to do.

That's a strange understanding of representational government.
 
Not necessarily - the House has passed lots of bills that the Senate has ignored and failed to negotiate - the House should pass what the majority party supports in their majority, and if Democrats come along, that's fine, if they don't, it will rise or fall on the merits.

the house republicans pass bills that are only in line with their conservative philosophy: gut epa regulations, gut financial regulations, create oil pipe lines that create only a small amount of jobs and have the potential of becoming ecological nightmares, nearly every bill they have passed has had something to do with limiting or cutting the effectiveness of federal programs. and what are they offering to give the democrats in exchange for passing their legislation? what things are conservitives are willing to give to liberals in exchange for passing legislation?
 
So let's get this straight - you applaud Obama and Democrats for adopting healthcare legislation, without any Republican support, that the majority of the American people don't want - but you criticize Boehner for agreeing to pass a bill with mostly Republican support that represents what the majority of Republican members got elected on and that the majority of their constituents want them to do.

That's a strange understanding of representational government.

It may garner Dem votes as well. I believe 24 Dems crossed the aisle to vote for the bill to delay ACA for a year...
 
the house republicans pass bills that are only in line with their conservative philosophy: gut epa regulations, gut financial regulations, create oil pipe lines that create only a small amount of jobs and have the potential of becoming ecological nightmares, nearly every bill they have passed has had something to do with limiting or cutting the effectiveness of federal programs. and what are they offering to give the democrats in exchange for passing their legislation? what things are conservitives are willing to give to liberals in exchange for passing legislation?

A vibrant economy...
 
It's not just the left in the Senate - saw McCain on CNN earlier pontificating as only he can about how they won't vote for any bill that defunds Obamacare so it's a non-starter.

John McCain knows that any piece of legislation that includes language that defunds the affordable care act can be changed by harry reid and the democratic majority in the senate.
 
A vibrant economy...

thats not being specific.

its called give in take: if democrats have to vote on repealing obamacare, republicans have to allow a vote on immigration reform, or financial regulations.

You can't expect a purely conservative agenda to pass both the house and senate to happen?
 
thats not being specific.

its called give in take: if democrats have to vote on repealing obamacare, republicans have to allow a vote on immigration reform, or financial regulations.

You can't expect a purely conservative agenda to pass both the house and senate to happen?

That's right. The Dems would rather shut the government down than take that vote, but the issue is not repeal, it's the discretionary funding to support it...
 
So let's get this straight - you applaud Obama and Democrats for adopting healthcare legislation, without any Republican support, that the majority of the American people don't want - but you criticize Boehner for agreeing to pass a bill with mostly Republican support that represents what the majority of Republican members got elected on and that the majority of their constituents want them to do.

That's a strange understanding of representational government.

the Affordable care act passed both the house and the senate because of using the rules of reconciliation, somthing that previous congresses have done before in the past, and with out key votes like Olympia Snowe, Susan Collins, and arlen specter, the Affordable care act would not have made it out of commitee.
 
Republicans have their own civil war within the context of their civil war with Obama.
The GOP should call in Putin to help with Cruz/Assad.
And good afternoon AP.
A vibrant economy...
 
so you've bought into this House/Cruz meme??
That's right. The Dems would rather shut the government down than take that vote, but the issue is not repeal, it's the discretionary funding to support it...
 
That's right. The Dems would rather shut the government down than take that vote, but the issue is not repeal, it's the discretionary funding to support it...

You don't want to fund it because of the idealogical motivation of seeing it fail. you would rather have the affordable care act die in its crib rather than working to improve it because You cannot support the notion of Government providing health care to the people.
 
the Affordable care act passed both the house and the senate because of using the rules of reconciliation, somthing that previous congresses have done before in the past, and with out key votes like Olympia Snowe, Susan Collins, and arlen specter, the Affordable care act would not have made it out of commitee.

I believe you've already acknowledged that the ACA is flawed. Why not compromise and delay implementation until it can be fixed? The President has already delayed or altered almost half its provisions...
 
the Affordable care act passed both the house and the senate because of using the rules of reconciliation, somthing that previous congresses have done before in the past, and with out key votes like Olympia Snowe, Susan Collins, and arlen specter, the Affordable care act would not have made it out of commitee.

The ACA passed the House with zero Republican support and passed the Senate only, as you say, because of a fraudulent application of the historical use of reconcilliation. Don't act like there's a trophy for that kind of "bipartisan negotiation".
 
You don't want to fund it because of the idealogical motivation of seeing it fail. you would rather have the affordable care act die in its crib rather than working to improve it because You cannot support the notion of Government providing health care to the people.

If it's going to be implemented, it needs to be done as a plan that has a chance to succeed, and the Dems don't seem interested in any changes...
 
I believe you've already acknowledged that the ACA is flawed. Why not compromise and delay implementation until it can be fixed? The President has already delayed or altered almost half its provisions...

Problem with that is that Democrats and Obama would have to acknowledge they made a mistake and they'd much rather muddle through no matter how many Americans suffer because of it.
 
Boehner: Obama should negotiate on debt, but not with me - The Hill - covering Congress, Politics, Political Campaigns and Capitol Hill | TheHill.com



ok, somebody please explain to me what is going on with Boehner? Does he forget that this current congress has not even tried reconciling any of the bills that either the house and senate have passed? maybe it is because one sides demands are too extreme to be reconciled?

Why does obama have to negotiate with harry reid? they both want the same thing: a clean bill that continues to fund the government, and a clean bill that raises the debt ceiling. they also want to stop the damage being done by the sequester spending cuts.

There is no damage being done by the sequester cuts. Neither want a clean bill, they want what they want and will hold their breathe, stomp their feet, and shout "Na Na Na Na BOO BOO, I'm not listening, I'm not listening!!!" Until they get their way. Just like little spoiled children.

Unfortunately, Boehner ain't man enough to be a parent and send them to their room without supper. The GOP would do well to cleanse itself of this wishy washy, limp-wristed, Time-Out giving wuss. They need to put someone in there who'll take off their belt and give these Obamacrat brats something to cry about...
 
I believe you've already acknowledged that the ACA is flawed. Why not compromise and delay implementation until it can be fixed? The President has already delayed or altered almost half its provisions...

we don't know what parts of it is flawed because it has not been fully implemented yet.

also the fact that there is a reluctance on the part of republicans to actually inform their constituents about how the Affordable care acts echanges and provisions are supposed to work is not helping
 
The ACA passed the House with zero Republican support and passed the Senate only, as you say, because of a fraudulent application of the historical use of reconcilliation. Don't act like there's a trophy for that kind of "bipartisan negotiation".

maybe because one party is ideologically opposed to any form of health care reform, they were not willing to negotiate.
 
we don't know what parts of it is flawed because it has not been fully implemented yet.

also the fact that there is a reluctance on the part of republicans to actually inform their constituents about how the Affordable care acts echanges and provisions are supposed to work is not helping

Why so adamant about the personal mandate? Did you hear that Walgreens announced today that they will be ending HC coverage for their employees and sending them to the exchanges? How do you think those employees feel this evening?

Walgreens moves workers to private health-care exchange - The Washington Post
 
Not at all.
I'm sure Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security have been revbiewed over time.
You guys don't get to attach laws to a CR.
OTOH, please advise the Repubs to keep on keepin on for 2014.
If it's going to be implemented, it needs to be done as a plan that has a chance to succeed, and the Dems don't seem interested in any changes...
 
maybe because one party is ideologically opposed to any form of health care reform, they were not willing to negotiate.

Maybe because one party is ideologically and financially beholden to special interests such as trial lawyers that party was not interested in negotiating changes to improve the healthcare system in place and instead chose to take it over, mangle it, exempt all their friends and leave the individual taxpayer holding their steaming bag of crap with no help in sight.
 
Not at all.
I'm sure Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security have been revbiewed over time.
You guys don't get to attach laws to a CR.
OTOH, please advise the Repubs to keep on keepin on for 2014.

I'm not aware the House has given up the power of the purse...
 
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