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    Re: Boehner: Obama should negotiate on debt, but not with me

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    but Mccain is a republican, the same party as Cruz
    He can call himself a banana if he wants, he's a liberal and always has been. And BTW, I am not a Republican and have no interest in party politics. Those on the left are wrong. Republicans who are not acting as conservatives are wrong too.

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    Re: Boehner: Obama should negotiate on debt, but not with me

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Boehner is not being portrayed as a villain: he is being portrayed as incapable of handling his position as speaker of the house. The affordable care act may not be the best attempt at reforming healthcare system, But obama has managed to pass a bill that tries to something previous presidents who have failed to pass similar bills that reform the healthcare system.

    The affordable care act, for all of its flaws, is the first healthcare reform bill that any president has sucessfully signed into law, and that is why it is historic.

    And that historical achievement is now a hostage, the required sacrifice needed to allow the government to function and raise the debt ceiling.

    The debt ceiling is not something to bargain over, the full faith and credit of the united states government should not be risked to satisfy one parties obsession in destroying something they view as ideological blasphemy.
    Allowing bad legislation to remain on the books because it is "historic" is ridiculous. I find it hard to believe that so many people are willing to accept a law that does not do what it was intended to do (or at least not what we were TOLD it intended to do), drives up overall costs and still fails to be "universal". Doesn't anyone have any standards any more? Do you go to work ever day with the intention of doing your job poorly, but still expect a paycheck because you showed up? The new slogan for the Democrat Party should be "We aim to try" because clearly results don't matter.

    I'll agree that the bill was historic. The worst part of it being that it passed because of the pressure applied to pass it while nobody had read it. Like Queen Nancy said "We have to pass the bill so we can find out what's in it". Well, now that we know what's in it, we don't want it.

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    Re: Boehner: Obama should negotiate on debt, but not with me

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Obviously, what Spkr Boehner and House Tea Party Republicans are proposing is nothing more than a partisan gimmick at best, anarchy at worse. What they're trying to do is put the blame of a government shutdown should it come to that squarely on the back of the President and Senate Democrats, i.e., "don't pass a Continuing Resolution to keep the government funded and it's all 'their' fault". Problem is, Boehner and the Tea Partiers he abdicated to forget about this document called the Constitution.

    Article 1:

    Sect. 1 - All legislative powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives.

    Sect. 2, Clause 18 - To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof.

    Sect. 7, Clause 2 - Every bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a law, be presented to the President of the United States; if he approve he shall sign it.

    Sect. 9, Clause 7 - No money shall be drawn from the treasury, but in consequence of appropriations made by law.

    It's really simple, ladies and gentlemen. Contrary to what you may be hearing on Conservative talk radio or on FoxNews, if Congress (specifically, Tea Party Republicans) refuses to adhere to the very bill they passed which subsequently became law, towit, "ObamaCare", they in effect are in direct violation of the Constitution. Put simply, Sen. Reid was 100% correct when he called those who came up with this stupid defunding measure as anarchist. They may not like ObamaCare, but to use a defunding measure to force a President to abandon it which would, in effect, throw the entire country into chaos. Such an action is extremely irresponsible and violates their oath of office as federal legislators. Those who favor this measure would be doing the same thing they claim the President has done - picking and choosing which laws they will uphold and which ones they will ignore.
    LOL. This is humor at its finest. Thank you for the laugh.

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    Re: Boehner: Obama should negotiate on debt, but not with me

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    I'm for supporting the House legislation on defunding Obamacare and here is why.......by attaching it to the ceiling debt increase it is going to force the Senate to come up with their own version instead of the idea being placed in Reid's file 13.
    This is not a fight over raising the debt ceiling. This is a continuing resolution necessary because the democrats have failed to pass a budget during their reign of terror.

    I think we should prevent more of the Left's socialist state by not raising the debt ceiling ever again.

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    Re: Boehner: Obama should negotiate on debt, but not with me

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    This is not a fight over raising the debt ceiling. This is a continuing resolution necessary because the democrats have failed to pass a budget during their reign of terror.

    I think we should prevent more of the Left's socialist state by not raising the debt ceiling ever again.
    Many don't understand the difference and the Dems are using that to its full effect...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: Boehner: Obama should negotiate on debt, but not with me

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    but Mccain is a republican, the same party as Cruz
    He is a hard left SOB who needs to be defeated. If no conservative primaries him I will support his democratic challenger. I encourage every conservative to support any challenger McCain faces. I want him defeated. I want him punished.

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    Re: Boehner: Obama should negotiate on debt, but not with me

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    This is not a fight over raising the debt ceiling. This is a continuing resolution necessary because the democrats have failed to pass a budget during their reign of terror.

    I think we should prevent more of the Left's socialist state by not raising the debt ceiling ever again.
    In principle, I agree with you whole heartedly. In reality it ain't going to happen. Not when all you hold is the majority in the House. And that majority is made up of a group of elite Republicans who tend to lean big government and true Conservatives and Libertarians who want less government. That debt ceiling would be raised by milk toast Republicans joining Democrats. Period. But because of pressure brought about by those who do believe in less government, it is forcing the milk toast crowd to join in to have leverage to stall the implementation of a terrible bill that if allowed is going to have grave consequences. We are seeing the consequences unfold before our eyes.

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