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    Re: Boehner: Obama should negotiate on debt, but not with me

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    And you're not blaming a House bill even Repub senators won't sustain a cloture are you?
    Does Canada pay her bills on time?
    Do Canada pols work more than 40 days in 5 months as our House?
    And look at the excretement so far from the GOP House.
    There's lots wrong with our form of government too, but it's only as bad as the people you elect. The very fact you elected then reelected a total failure like Obama is why you have the reaction of a strong, largely anti-Obama House. Obama refused to compromise and work to consensus with Republicans so people elected House representatives who wouldn't compromise from the right - it's that simple. Every President before Obama found people on the other side in congress to work with and they got things done - Obama believes he's always right and the only one that counts and doesn't work with the "lowly" congress. It's why he's irrelevant. Boehner has it right - work within the House then work with the Senate and then, if something gets done let Obama sign it or not - just don't let him in on the discussions.
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    Re: Boehner: Obama should negotiate on debt, but not with me

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Because he doesn't really have a choice. Whether or not he likes it, Obama is President until 2017.

    So Boehner can work with that for the good of the country, or he can play silly political theatre. I think we all know what he'll choose, which is very sad.
    In addition to being dishonest, the President is irrelevant. There is no need to bring him into the discussions. The House can pass a bill, the Senate can pass a bill, and the two can work it out - when they come to agreement, they will have a bill to send to Obama and he can sign it or not. That's the way government has to work in the US for the next 3 plus years while you have the most incompetent, delusional President in my lifetime. Leave Obama to nonsense campaign type tours, stupid sit downs with news anchors, and golf - the country will survive his disasterous "reign".
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    Re: Boehner: Obama should negotiate on debt, but not with me

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Obama refused to compromise and work to consensus with Republicans so people elected House representatives who wouldn't compromise from the right - it's that simple.
    There are things I don't like about Obama's presidency but are you out of your mind?

    There have been times when Obama wanted to give House Republicans EVERYTHING they've asked for, no strings attached, and they still rebelled. There is literally nothing that Obama could do in some instances that the Republican House would negotiate on. Find a way to work with Republicans in the House? Many of those House members said they would work against Obama before he was even sworn into office. Obama has been far more compromising than most people.

    If Obama were to say air is good, some House Republicans would raise a fuss and asphyxiate themselves to death in defiance. And then the surviving Republican members would find a way to blame Obama for that too.

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    Re: Boehner: Obama should negotiate on debt, but not with me

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    There are things I don't like about Obama's presidency but are you out of your mind?

    There have been times when Obama wanted to give House Republicans EVERYTHING they've asked for, no strings attached, and they still rebelled. There is literally nothing that Obama could do in some instances that the Republican House would negotiate on. Find a way to work with Republicans in the House? Many of those House members said they would work against Obama before he was even sworn into office. Obama has been far more compromising than most people.

    If Obama were to say air is good, some House Republicans would raise a fuss and asphyxiate themselves to death in defiance. And then the surviving Republican members would find a way to blame Obama for that too.
    That's just convenient nonsense to excuse the utter disasterous Presidency of Obama. You can't own up to the fact Obama is a dolt of the highest order and an arrogant dolt at that. Boehner may be many things, but he's not stupid. He tried to work with Obama during the last "grand bargain" discussions and Obama/Boehner/Reid had a deal and Obama backed out when Nancy Pelosi wanted more even though her backing was irrelevant. Obama made his own bed.
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    Re: Boehner: Obama should negotiate on debt, but not with me

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    That's just convenient nonsense to excuse the utter disasterous Presidency of Obama. You can't own up to the fact Obama is a dolt of the highest order and an arrogant dolt at that. Boehner may be many things, but he's not stupid. He tried to work with Obama during the last "grand bargain" discussions and Obama/Boehner/Reid had a deal and Obama backed out when Nancy Pelosi wanted more even though her backing was irrelevant. Obama made his own bed.
    It's not just a convenient excuse, it's also a fact.

    Literacy not your strong suit? I believe I started my post with how Obama has been less than perfect, but if your idea of discourse is to refer to people as "dolts" and whatnot then you can keep that nonsense in Canada. I would be tired of trying to work with Republicans too. Or are you really trying to say that there were no Republicans saying they wouldn't work with Obama before he was sworn into office? Because if that's what your saying you need to put a tinfoil hat in your avatar so that people know before hand what kind of poster you are.

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    Re: Boehner: Obama should negotiate on debt, but not with me

    Quote Originally Posted by reinoe View Post
    It's not just a convenient excuse, it's also a fact.

    Literacy not your strong suit? I believe I started my post with how Obama has been less than perfect, but if your idea of discourse is to refer to people as "dolts" and whatnot then you can keep that nonsense in Canada. I would be tired of trying to work with Republicans too. Or are you really trying to say that there were no Republicans saying they wouldn't work with Obama before he was sworn into office? Because if that's what your saying you need to put a tinfoil hat in your avatar so that people know before hand what kind of poster you are.
    I see - so even though you claim to be libertarian, you use the old liberal standby of insulting me when I don't agree with you - typical. As for working with Republicans, name one Republican that the President has sat down and worked with on a piece of legislation. Bush II worked with the most liberal of Democrats, Ted Kennedy on No Child Left Behind and Clinton worked with the most conservative of Republicans, Newt Gingrich on Welfare Reform. Certainly Ted Kennedy was no fan of GWB and Gingrich was no fan of Clinton, but they found Presidents willing to work with them on issues of importance to them. Obama is incapable of such bipartisan negotiation. Hell, Obama thinks he's too smart and too good to even work with congressional Democrats.

    And gee, you sure do have all the liberal talking points down pat - never met a self-respecting libertarian who took their information directly from Debbie Wasserman-Schultz - congrats, you're a first. And just to clear things up in your short memory, lots of Republicans worked with Obama prior to his being sworn in - it's why your country adopted the largest single stimulus package in it's history, over $800 billion, mere weeks after he was sworn in. So don't give me this crap about the right not working with Obama from the start. They did work with him originally and the smug, arrogant POS simply turned to them and said "I won the election" and "Republicans can join us, and they can sit in the back, or we'll just do it ourselves". Well, the dolt got what he deserves, almost zero assistance from the right and no interest in negotiating with him.
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    Re: Boehner: Obama should negotiate on debt, but not with me

    I'm for supporting the House legislation on defunding Obamacare and here is why.......by attaching it to the ceiling debt increase it is going to force the Senate to come up with their own version instead of the idea being placed in Reid's file 13. After they pass their own version, both Houses of Congress will meet in conference to hash out the differences. This will be a time where Republicans will have the power to "delay" the implementation of Obamacare for All Americans, not just a select few. If Republicans can achieve this thing delay oh say till it is possible for a regime change in the Senate and White House, it would slow down the adverse affects Obamacare is putting on economic recovery. It would slow down the number of companies laying off workers and or turning them into part time positions. Once things are fully implemented in the Federal government it becomes next to impossible to get rid of them. And in my opinion Obamacare would be a disaster we may never recover from.

    Just a couple of days ago union bosses met with Obama after they had come out against Obamacare. Upon leaving the White House they all had smiles on their faces which more than likely something will be announced that unions will get some exemptions for Obamacare too. This is just not fair. My healthcare premiums have sky rocketed as have prescription drugs. My co-pay has doubled because of Obamacare. Enough already!

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    Re: Boehner: Obama should negotiate on debt, but not with me

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    "The people" are not for the defunding of Obamacare. The "starstruck idiots," as you so classily put it, aren't fooled by the Republicans apocalyptic bluster. And yes, if there is a shutdown, it will be the Republicans' fault.
    You can ignore public polling if you like when it does not match your opinion. You can ignore the huge increases in insurance premiums since this law was passed. You can ignore the full time jobs that are being lost or changed to part time to avoid the costs. You can ignore the 3x cost compared to what we were originally told. You can ignore that 30 million people will still be uninsured. You can even be so blindly partisan that you think everybody gives a **** about party politics. But the fact remains that Obamacare accomplishes none of the stated goals while giving control of a huge part of the economy to the government. Those of us who are capable of making our own decisions and living with the consequences do not need a bunch of nanny state lazy children telling us that the government can do it better. There are plenty of government programs out there for you to tap in to if you can't seem to put your big boy pants on and take care of yourself. Some of us are not interested. And I think those who refuse to shut this monstrosity down are going to be hearing from us about it. Obamacare supporters may have the attention span of a goldfish, but those of us who can see past the next episode of whatever reality show you are watching are not going to stand for it.

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    Re: Boehner: Obama should negotiate on debt, but not with me

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    It's not just the left in the Senate - saw McCain on CNN earlier pontificating as only he can about how they won't vote for any bill that defunds Obamacare so it's a non-starter.
    McCain is not on the right.

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    Re: Boehner: Obama should negotiate on debt, but not with me

    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    McCain is not on the right.
    but Mccain is a republican, the same party as Cruz

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