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Boehner: Obama should negotiate on debt, but not with me

It's not just a convenient excuse, it's also a fact.

Literacy not your strong suit? I believe I started my post with how Obama has been less than perfect, but if your idea of discourse is to refer to people as "dolts" and whatnot then you can keep that nonsense in Canada. I would be tired of trying to work with Republicans too. Or are you really trying to say that there were no Republicans saying they wouldn't work with Obama before he was sworn into office? Because if that's what your saying you need to put a tinfoil hat in your avatar so that people know before hand what kind of poster you are.

I see - so even though you claim to be libertarian, you use the old liberal standby of insulting me when I don't agree with you - typical. As for working with Republicans, name one Republican that the President has sat down and worked with on a piece of legislation. Bush II worked with the most liberal of Democrats, Ted Kennedy on No Child Left Behind and Clinton worked with the most conservative of Republicans, Newt Gingrich on Welfare Reform. Certainly Ted Kennedy was no fan of GWB and Gingrich was no fan of Clinton, but they found Presidents willing to work with them on issues of importance to them. Obama is incapable of such bipartisan negotiation. Hell, Obama thinks he's too smart and too good to even work with congressional Democrats.

And gee, you sure do have all the liberal talking points down pat - never met a self-respecting libertarian who took their information directly from Debbie Wasserman-Schultz - congrats, you're a first. And just to clear things up in your short memory, lots of Republicans worked with Obama prior to his being sworn in - it's why your country adopted the largest single stimulus package in it's history, over $800 billion, mere weeks after he was sworn in. So don't give me this crap about the right not working with Obama from the start. They did work with him originally and the smug, arrogant POS simply turned to them and said "I won the election" and "Republicans can join us, and they can sit in the back, or we'll just do it ourselves". Well, the dolt got what he deserves, almost zero assistance from the right and no interest in negotiating with him.
 
I'm for supporting the House legislation on defunding Obamacare and here is why.......by attaching it to the ceiling debt increase it is going to force the Senate to come up with their own version instead of the idea being placed in Reid's file 13. After they pass their own version, both Houses of Congress will meet in conference to hash out the differences. This will be a time where Republicans will have the power to "delay" the implementation of Obamacare for All Americans, not just a select few. If Republicans can achieve this thing delay oh say till it is possible for a regime change in the Senate and White House, it would slow down the adverse affects Obamacare is putting on economic recovery. It would slow down the number of companies laying off workers and or turning them into part time positions. Once things are fully implemented in the Federal government it becomes next to impossible to get rid of them. And in my opinion Obamacare would be a disaster we may never recover from.

Just a couple of days ago union bosses met with Obama after they had come out against Obamacare. Upon leaving the White House they all had smiles on their faces which more than likely something will be announced that unions will get some exemptions for Obamacare too. This is just not fair. My healthcare premiums have sky rocketed as have prescription drugs. My co-pay has doubled because of Obamacare. Enough already!
 
"The people" are not for the defunding of Obamacare. The "starstruck idiots," as you so classily put it, aren't fooled by the Republicans apocalyptic bluster. And yes, if there is a shutdown, it will be the Republicans' fault.

You can ignore public polling if you like when it does not match your opinion. You can ignore the huge increases in insurance premiums since this law was passed. You can ignore the full time jobs that are being lost or changed to part time to avoid the costs. You can ignore the 3x cost compared to what we were originally told. You can ignore that 30 million people will still be uninsured. You can even be so blindly partisan that you think everybody gives a **** about party politics. But the fact remains that Obamacare accomplishes none of the stated goals while giving control of a huge part of the economy to the government. Those of us who are capable of making our own decisions and living with the consequences do not need a bunch of nanny state lazy children telling us that the government can do it better. There are plenty of government programs out there for you to tap in to if you can't seem to put your big boy pants on and take care of yourself. Some of us are not interested. And I think those who refuse to shut this monstrosity down are going to be hearing from us about it. Obamacare supporters may have the attention span of a goldfish, but those of us who can see past the next episode of whatever reality show you are watching are not going to stand for it.
 
It's not just the left in the Senate - saw McCain on CNN earlier pontificating as only he can about how they won't vote for any bill that defunds Obamacare so it's a non-starter.

McCain is not on the right.
 
but Mccain is a republican, the same party as Cruz

He can call himself a banana if he wants, he's a liberal and always has been. And BTW, I am not a Republican and have no interest in party politics. Those on the left are wrong. Republicans who are not acting as conservatives are wrong too.
 
Boehner is not being portrayed as a villain: he is being portrayed as incapable of handling his position as speaker of the house. The affordable care act may not be the best attempt at reforming healthcare system, But obama has managed to pass a bill that tries to something previous presidents who have failed to pass similar bills that reform the healthcare system.

The affordable care act, for all of its flaws, is the first healthcare reform bill that any president has sucessfully signed into law, and that is why it is historic.

And that historical achievement is now a hostage, the required sacrifice needed to allow the government to function and raise the debt ceiling.

The debt ceiling is not something to bargain over, the full faith and credit of the united states government should not be risked to satisfy one parties obsession in destroying something they view as ideological blasphemy.

Allowing bad legislation to remain on the books because it is "historic" is ridiculous. I find it hard to believe that so many people are willing to accept a law that does not do what it was intended to do (or at least not what we were TOLD it intended to do), drives up overall costs and still fails to be "universal". Doesn't anyone have any standards any more? Do you go to work ever day with the intention of doing your job poorly, but still expect a paycheck because you showed up? The new slogan for the Democrat Party should be "We aim to try" because clearly results don't matter.

I'll agree that the bill was historic. The worst part of it being that it passed because of the pressure applied to pass it while nobody had read it. Like Queen Nancy said "We have to pass the bill so we can find out what's in it". Well, now that we know what's in it, we don't want it.
 
Obviously, what Spkr Boehner and House Tea Party Republicans are proposing is nothing more than a partisan gimmick at best, anarchy at worse. What they're trying to do is put the blame of a government shutdown should it come to that squarely on the back of the President and Senate Democrats, i.e., "don't pass a Continuing Resolution to keep the government funded and it's all 'their' fault". Problem is, Boehner and the Tea Partiers he abdicated to forget about this document called the Constitution.

Article 1:

Sect. 1 - All legislative powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives.

Sect. 2, Clause 18 - To make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution the foregoing powers, and all other powers vested by this Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof.

Sect. 7, Clause 2 - Every bill which shall have passed the House of Representatives and the Senate, shall, before it become a law, be presented to the President of the United States; if he approve he shall sign it.

Sect. 9, Clause 7 - No money shall be drawn from the treasury, but in consequence of appropriations made by law.

It's really simple, ladies and gentlemen. Contrary to what you may be hearing on Conservative talk radio or on FoxNews, if Congress (specifically, Tea Party Republicans) refuses to adhere to the very bill they passed which subsequently became law, towit, "ObamaCare", they in effect are in direct violation of the Constitution. Put simply, Sen. Reid was 100% correct when he called those who came up with this stupid defunding measure as anarchist. They may not like ObamaCare, but to use a defunding measure to force a President to abandon it which would, in effect, throw the entire country into chaos. Such an action is extremely irresponsible and violates their oath of office as federal legislators. Those who favor this measure would be doing the same thing they claim the President has done - picking and choosing which laws they will uphold and which ones they will ignore.
LOL. This is humor at its finest. Thank you for the laugh.
 
I'm for supporting the House legislation on defunding Obamacare and here is why.......by attaching it to the ceiling debt increase it is going to force the Senate to come up with their own version instead of the idea being placed in Reid's file 13.
This is not a fight over raising the debt ceiling. This is a continuing resolution necessary because the democrats have failed to pass a budget during their reign of terror.

I think we should prevent more of the Left's socialist state by not raising the debt ceiling ever again.
 
This is not a fight over raising the debt ceiling. This is a continuing resolution necessary because the democrats have failed to pass a budget during their reign of terror.

I think we should prevent more of the Left's socialist state by not raising the debt ceiling ever again.

Many don't understand the difference and the Dems are using that to its full effect...
 
but Mccain is a republican, the same party as Cruz
He is a hard left SOB who needs to be defeated. If no conservative primaries him I will support his democratic challenger. I encourage every conservative to support any challenger McCain faces. I want him defeated. I want him punished.
 
This is not a fight over raising the debt ceiling. This is a continuing resolution necessary because the democrats have failed to pass a budget during their reign of terror.

I think we should prevent more of the Left's socialist state by not raising the debt ceiling ever again.

In principle, I agree with you whole heartedly. In reality it ain't going to happen. Not when all you hold is the majority in the House. And that majority is made up of a group of elite Republicans who tend to lean big government and true Conservatives and Libertarians who want less government. That debt ceiling would be raised by milk toast Republicans joining Democrats. Period. But because of pressure brought about by those who do believe in less government, it is forcing the milk toast crowd to join in to have leverage to stall the implementation of a terrible bill that if allowed is going to have grave consequences. We are seeing the consequences unfold before our eyes.
 
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