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Chicago now murder capital of U.S., FBI says

specklebang said:
I'm sure it is. I'm just pointing out that as a percentage of population, the murder rate does not make either NY or Chicago "murder capitol" of the US.
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I agree...New Orleans has 'em all beat. Woman, children, old people, young people, gangsters or citizens.....they don't care here.
Remember. When seconds count, the police are MINUTES away.
Don't be a victim.
 
If anyone is going to try to pin Chicago's insane violence on either party, you're a dick.

The problem is a massive gang war.
 
TurtleDude said:
they are thrice damned

Obamatardation

Rahmbutt

and Murder capital of the USA
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Obviously, nobody was ever murdered in Chicago before Barack "B-Murder" Obama and Rahm "R-Dawggy-Dawg-Murder-Homicide-E" Emanuel came on the scene.

Partisan hackery here at its finest.
 
Kobie said:
If anyone is going to try to pin Chicago's insane violence on either party, you're a dick.

The problem is a massive gang war.
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Who comprises these gangs?
Is there anything in common about them?..anything unusual that might stand out or that one might notice?
 
P. Kersey said:
Who comprises these gangs?
Is there anything in common about them?..anything unusual that might stand out or that one might notice?
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Yes, heavily armed people, raised in abject poverty, who deal drugs in terrible neighborhoods.

Why, what's your take on it?
 
Kobie said:
Yes, heavily armed people, raised in abject poverty, who deal drugs in terrible neighborhoods.

Why, what's your take on it?
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I dunno. There seem to be some trends emerging but I just can't quite put my finger on it. Something's definitely wrong, though.
If only we could figure out who is doing all this killing and why.
List of races - Tracking homicides in Chicago - Tracking homicides in Chicago | RedeyeChicago.com

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Let me look closer..maybe I can sort it out.
Murder in America - WSJ.com

In Illinois from 2000 thru 2010 there were a total of 6086 murders.

The victims were;

White (non "hispanic") - 1603
Asian - 40
Black - 4439

The murderers were;

White (non "hispanic") - 961
Asian - negligible
Black - 2622
Unknown - 3228


Interesting.
 
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P. Kersey said:
I dunno. There seem to be some trends emerging but I just can't quite put my finger on it. Something's definitely wrong, though.
If only we could figure out who is doing all this killing and why.
List of races - Tracking homicides in Chicago - Tracking homicides in Chicago | RedeyeChicago.com
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Yes, it's black people committing the vast majority of those crimes. It's also black people who are the vast majority of the poor in Chicago. It's also black people who are largely cycled in and out of the prison system like so much chaff. It's also black people who are more harshly sentenced than white people.

Unless you're making the argument that crime is somehow hard-wired into African DNA, you're going to have to do better than that.
 
I guess they need a "community organizer" there ...
 
Kobie said:
Yes, it's black people committing the vast majority of those crimes.
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Oh..ok... I see that.

Kobie said:
It's also black people who are the vast majority of the poor in Chicago.
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So poor black people are obligated to commit murder? Interesting.


Kobie said:
It's also black people who are largely cycled in and out of the prison system like so much chaff.
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Would that be because;
Kobie said:
Yes, it's black people committing the vast majority of those crimes.
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Kobie said:
It's also black people who are more harshly sentenced than white people.
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Well, you acknowledge they commit more crime, so therefore some of them are second/third offenders. Repeat offenders get harsher sentences.


Kobie said:
Unless you're making the argument that crime is somehow hard-wired into African DNA, you're going to have to do better than that.
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None of those people are from africa, first of all, and second, who cares about dna/hard wiring or other excuses?

The facts are, and you admit, that negroes commit more crime than any other demographic in the u.s.
I don't have to "do better" than anything.
 
P. Kersey said:
So poor black people are obligated to commit murder? Interesting.
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Hey, Mr. Strawman, welcome to the party!

P. Kersey said:
Well, you acknowledge they commit more crime, so therefore some of them are second/third offenders. Repeat offenders get harsher sentences.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/07/weekinreview/07glater.html?_r=0

No, even first offenders get harsher sentencing. Sell your Stormfront-lite racism someplace else.

P. Kersey said:
None of those people are from africa, first of all, and second, who cares about dna/hard wiring or other excuses?
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Well, theoretically, we're ALL from Africa, it's just a question of how long our ancestors go back. And apparently my comment went so far over your head it's violating Russian airspace.

P. Kersey said:
The facts are, and you admit, that negroes commit more crime than any other demographic in the u.s.
I don't have to "do better" than anything.
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That's not what I said. Strawman Numero Dos.

IN THE PARTS OF CHICAGO WHERE PEOPLE ARE GETTING KILLED, the "negroes" are committing more crime. But you don't care about why, you just want to chalk it up to race and leave it at that.

Answer me this, without your cute little codicils and qualifications ... why is there so much black-on-black crime in Chicago? Simple question, simple answer.

From what I can tell, you have no idea why crime happens.
 
Kobie said:
Hey, Mr. Strawman, welcome to the party!



http://www.nytimes.com/2007/10/07/weekinreview/07glater.html?_r=0

No, even first offenders get harsher sentencing. Sell your Stormfront-lite racism someplace else.



Well, theoretically, we're ALL from Africa, it's just a question of how long our ancestors go back. And apparently my comment went so far over your head it's violating Russian airspace.



That's not what I said. Strawman Numero Dos.

IN THE PARTS OF CHICAGO WHERE PEOPLE ARE GETTING KILLED, the "negroes" are committing more crime. But you don't care about why, you just want to chalk it up to race and leave it at that.

Answer me this, without your cute little codicils and qualifications ... why is there so much black-on-black crime in Chicago? Simple question, simple answer.

From what I can tell, you have no idea why crime happens.
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Same words, same agenda, just a diffrent username and avatar. Welcome back.
 
APACHERAT said:
Same words, same agenda, just a diffrent username and avatar. Welcome back.
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Ah, accuse the new guy of being a banned user once you see something that conflicts with your agenda.

I've been on many forums before, and I've seen the same tactic many times. Nice try.
 
Kobie said:
Hey, Mr. Strawman, welcome to the party!
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Evasion.




Kobie said:
No, even first offenders get harsher sentencing. Sell your Stormfront-lite racism someplace else.
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Let me guess..."institutionalized racism", right? :roll:
The entire justice system...including black prosecutors, black judges, black D.A.'s and black juries that (occasionally) convict ...they're all racists and hate blacks.



Kobie said:
Well, theoretically, we're ALL from Africa, it's just a question of how long our ancestors go back.
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There isn't conclusive proof that all humans originated in africa...in fact there is evidence of other origins.http://www.scirp.org/journal/PaperInformation.aspx?paperID=19566

but who cares? There are measurable physical, medical and mental differences in caucasians, asians and negroes. That is just a fact.



The finding that the Europeoid haplogroups did not descend from “African” haplogroups A or B is supported by the fact that bearers of the Europeoid haplogroups, as well as all non-African haplogroups do not carry either SNPs M91, P97, M31, P82, M23, M114, P262, M32, M59, P289, P291, P102, M13, M171, M118 (haplogroup A and its subclades SNPs) or M60, M181, P90 (haplogroup B), as it was shown recently in “Walk through Y” FTDNA Project (the reference is incorporated therein) on several hundred people from various haplogroups.

Kobie said:
And apparently my comment went so far over your head it's violating Russian airspace.
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Right..whatever....deflection and evasion.



Kobie said:
That's not what I said. Strawman Numero Dos.
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No..it's EXACTLY what you said..here..your words;


Kobie said:
Yes, it's black people committing the vast majority of those crimes.
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Kobie said:
IN THE PARTS OF CHICAGO WHERE PEOPLE ARE GETTING KILLED, the "negroes" are committing more crime.
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See..you said it again.

Kobie said:
But you don't care about why, you just want to chalk it up to race and leave it at that.
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No. I don't care why.
I haven't "chalked it up" to anything. The stats speak for themselves.
Dead people are really dead..and murderers are really murderers...There's no getting around it.


Kobie said:
Answer me this, without your cute little codicils and qualifications ... why is there so much black-on-black crime in Chicago? Simple question, simple answer.
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I have no idea.
No fear of punishment?
Poor impulse control?
Lack of good parenting?
Who knows?

YOU tell ME.



Kobie said:
From what I can tell, you have no idea why crime happens.
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Well, educate me. Tell me why crime happens.
 
Kobie said:
Ah, accuse the new guy of being a banned user once you see something that conflicts with your agenda.

I've been on many forums before, and I've seen the same tactic many times. Nice try.
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Exactly, I know who you are.
 
APACHERAT said:
Exactly, I know who you are.
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Then report me. And when they search my IP, they'll see that you're full of crap.

I've never been on this forum until a few days ago. Now, if you don't believe me, I quite frankly couldn't care less, but I find throwing around baseless accusations with zero proof to be bad form.
 
P. Kersey said:
Evasion.
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You claim I said something I didn't say; I point it out; you cry "Evasion."

P. Kersey said:
Let me guess..."institutionalized racism", right? :roll:
The entire justice system...including black prosecutors, black judges, black D.A.'s and black juries that (occasionally) convict ...they're all racists and hate blacks.
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I never posited a theory.

Do you deny that black defendants are quite often sentenced more harshly than white defendants?

P. Kersey said:
There isn't conclusive proof that all humans originated in africa...in fact there is evidence of other origins.http://www.scirp.org/journal/PaperInformation.aspx?paperID=19566

but who cares? There are measurable physical, medical and mental differences in caucasians, asians and negroes. That is just a fact.


The finding that the Europeoid haplogroups did not descend from “African” haplogroups A or B is supported by the fact that bearers of the Europeoid haplogroups, as well as all non-African haplogroups do not carry either SNPs M91, P97, M31, P82, M23, M114, P262, M32, M59, P289, P291, P102, M13, M171, M118 (haplogroup A and its subclades SNPs) or M60, M181, P90 (haplogroup B), as it was shown recently in “Walk through Y” FTDNA Project (the reference is incorporated therein) on several hundred people from various haplogroups.
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Do you care to provide a source for this? Putting words in italics means nothing without a source.


P. Kersey said:
Right..whatever....deflection and evasion.
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And again.

P. Kersey said:
No..it's EXACTLY what you said..here..your words;
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Apparently reading comprehension isn't your forte. I said THOSE crimes, not ALL crimes.

P. Kersey said:
See..you said it again.
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Are you that dense that you can't get sarcasm? The quotes should have clued you in.

P. Kersey said:
No. I don't care why.
I haven't "chalked it up" to anything. The stats speak for themselves.
Dead people are really dead..and murderers are really murderers...There's no getting around it.
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The "stats" are meaningless unless taken in context.

P. Kersey said:
I have no idea.
No fear of punishment?
Poor impulse control?
Lack of good parenting?
Who knows?

YOU tell ME.
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I asked first. You seem to fancy yourself an expert on how the "negroes" conduct themselves ... you tell me why. Or do you just not care?[/QUOTE]
 
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APACHERAT said:
I don't drop dimes.
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Snitches get stitches!

As I said, believe me or not. I just got here. Not an alias, ban-jumper, sockpuppet or whatever they're called here. Take that for what it's worth.
 
Kobie said:
Snitches get stitches!

As I said, believe me or not. I just got here. Not an alias, ban-jumper, sockpuppet or whatever they're called here. Take that for what it's worth.
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You're a well known cyber nomad troll. Always looking for an osais, (home/camp) until the Legionnaires show up and chase you out.
 
Well this is just icing on the cake, I mean first the Stanley Cup and now? This? WOW! We are truly blessed here in my fair city, Blessed!

Some of the country's strictest gun laws and we still prevailed, what an accomplishment. Rahm, you know that dink of a mayor? Dissolved the gang task force, specialized units with the intel and capabilities to prevent and contain violence and he just gets rid of them and replaces them with beat cops, that's right old boys in Blue, because gangs in this city respect the badge, know what I'm saying jack?

City council sent a recommendation to rescind the asinine CFP and other intrusive and worthless gun control measures the city needlessly burdens it's law abiding citizens with, I suggest you sign off on in it Rahm...things can't get any worse...or what? Gonna listen to Brotha Jesse and send in Homeland? eh? Make it a complete cluster cluck of a cockadoodle doo? Ya listening to me Rahm? Ya dummy?...go to hell...
 
APACHERAT said:
You're a well known cyber nomad troll. Always looking for an osais, (home/camp) until the Legionnaires show up and chase you out.
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lolwut


Indulge me. Tell me my sordid history. This should be good for a few laughs.
 
Kobie said:
You claim I said something I didn't say; I point it out; you cry "Evasion."
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This is EXACTLY what you said
Kobie said:
It's also black people who are the vast majority of the poor in Chicago.
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So..therefore, since as you have acknowledged that blacks are the killers and blacks are the victims (generally) and the murder rates are highest in poor black communities, it can only mean that poor blacks are somehow obligated to commit murder... or YOU tell ME the reason.



Kobie said:
I never posited a theory.
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I know. No one said you did.
See the question mark at the end of the sentence?

P.Kersey said:
Let me guess..."institutionalized racism", right?
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Kobie said:
Do you deny that black defendants are quite often sentenced more harshly than white defendants?
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I don't know. Do you know how many of them were repeat offenders versus first offense for whites?


Kobie said:
Do you care to provide a source for this? Putting words in italics means nothing without a source.
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See those words in blue? That is a link. If you click on it you'll be able to see where the italicized words came from.




Kobie said:
And again.

Apparently reading comprehension isn't your forte. I said THOSE crimes, not ALL crimes.
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Word games red herrings and evasions...THOSE crimes are the ones we're talking about...No one said anything about ALL crimes...

Kobie said:
Are you that dense that you can't get sarcasm? The quotes should have clued you in.
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Right..I can't comprehend and I'm dense. :roll: ..Know how I can tell I'm winning this debate?



Kobie said:
The "stats" are meaningless unless taken in context.
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The stats are accurate. Just because you proclaim them "meaningless" doesn't qualify as a refutation.
In other words, just saying "nuh uh" doesn't win the debate.



Kobie said:
I asked first. You seem to fancy yourself an expert on how the "negroes" conduct themselves ... you tell me why. Or do you just not care?
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Where did I say I was an expert on how negroes conduct themselves? I'm not finding that quote..Did you just make it up?

I don't have the ability to assess the motives for every black murder in chicago...no one does...and I couldn't care less about the excuses.
If a black person killed another black person, a crime has been committed. There is a criminal and there is a victim...you go wring your hands about "why".
 
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