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    Re: Chicago now murder capital of U.S., FBI says

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Rahm understands that a crisis is an opportunity - so a continued crisis means continued opportunities.

    It is to the advantage of the Democrats that these problems remain in order that the liberals can promise to solve them. They will also threaten that if the opposition is elected they will take away the privileges that the Democrats have worked so hard to enact. Charter schools are essential in these neighborhoods, but an educated population is not to the benefit of the Democrats.
    did you miss the part where I said "my fair city"?

    Unfortunately, and you are right about the need for education reform, I'm not going to co-sign on Charter Schools exclusively. I feel when you only point out one alternative, and keep going to that particular one, you're only inviting the problems of the conventional to move along with the students rather than solving the problem.

    Here's my complaint with what Rahm did, and don't get me wrong, I'm all for the students having longer days, so long as those extra hours aren't merely filled ith study halls where I know things haven't hanged that much and all the kids are doing is daydreaming, passing notes, or gossiping. The problem he has, is the same as the State has, is the same as every state has in the country. The government has to honor contracts. The public sector is the only sector I know for some reason that the people in this country find it acceptable to screw over. It doesn't matter if they "deserve it" if you feel they've earned it, if you think they're too generous, none of that matters. What matters is the people and the State entered into an agreement. An employment contract whether their is actually a physical contract or not. This contract states that they do this this and this and the State will give them this this and this. This must be honored. This doesn't mean that new or fairly new employees have to receive what the old one's who are vested receive, it means that those who are vested need to get what was promised.

    Now, as it regards charter schools on the south and west sides of the city. This isn't going to be enough. You need a complete overhaul. You need to bring economic opportunities to these neighborhoods, you need to bring workplace education and training centers to these neighborhoods, you need to bring renovation to real estate to these neighborhoods. Unless you do that, it doesn't mean a hill of beans what educational alternatives there are.

    The problem in these havens for liberal sympathies is that the people in the neighborhoods don't want...well, let me just show you a couple signs.

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    as you can see the natives are less than cooperative...
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    Now when you see this type of resistance which is only sampled here, why on earth would anyone in their right mind want to try and develop these neighborhoods? I won't even get into the Million man march that would parade down Halsted should the signs read "(minority of your choosing) go home, you're not welcome, this is a White Neighborhood" in Lincoln Park...

    All of this plays out well for dems though, which is why the have a stranglehold over the city.

    (p.s. be sure to click on the first link you won't want to miss that one, for some reason it isn't showing)

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    Re: Chicago now murder capital of U.S., FBI says

    In more timely news, Chicago's murder rate has seen a dramatic decrease from 2012 to 2013. In the 262 days that have been completed thus far in 2013, there have been 311 murders in Chicago, putting us on pace for about 433 murders this year.

    Should that projection hold up, it will be the lowest murder total Chicago has seen since the 60's.

    Interestingly enough, last years' total number of murders was lower than the total number of murders seen in any year between 1988 to 2004. In fact, it was one of the lowest totals seen here since the 1960's.

    During my teenage years, the murder rate in Chicago was about double what it is this year. The year I graduated high school, 1995, there were 828 murders in Chicago, down significantly from the 931 in 1994.

    So crime here is down, big time, despite the narrative you are hearing in the media.

    This city is FAR safer than it was when I was a kid. That's a fact.
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    Re: Chicago now murder capital of U.S., FBI says

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    did you miss the part where I said "my fair city"?

    Unfortunately, and you are right about the need for education reform, I'm not going to co-sign on Charter Schools exclusively. I feel when you only point out one alternative, and keep going to that particular one, you're only inviting the problems of the conventional to move along with the students rather than solving the problem.

    Here's my complaint with what Rahm did, and don't get me wrong, I'm all for the students having longer days, so long as those extra hours aren't merely filled ith study halls where I know things haven't hanged that much and all the kids are doing is daydreaming, passing notes, or gossiping. The problem he has, is the same as the State has, is the same as every state has in the country. The government has to honor contracts. The public sector is the only sector I know for some reason that the people in this country find it acceptable to screw over. It doesn't matter if they "deserve it" if you feel they've earned it, if you think they're too generous, none of that matters. What matters is the people and the State entered into an agreement. An employment contract whether their is actually a physical contract or not. This contract states that they do this this and this and the State will give them this this and this. This must be honored. This doesn't mean that new or fairly new employees have to receive what the old one's who are vested receive, it means that those who are vested need to get what was promised.

    Now, as it regards charter schools on the south and west sides of the city. This isn't going to be enough. You need a complete overhaul. You need to bring economic opportunities to these neighborhoods, you need to bring workplace education and training centers to these neighborhoods, you need to bring renovation to real estate to these neighborhoods. Unless you do that, it doesn't mean a hill of beans what educational alternatives there are.

    The problem in these havens for liberal sympathies is that the people in the neighborhoods don't want...well, let me just show you a couple signs.

    Attachment 67153933

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    l-1.jpg

    as you can see the natives are less than cooperative...
    "
    Now when you see this type of resistance which is only sampled here, why on earth would anyone in their right mind want to try and develop these neighborhoods? I won't even get into the Million man march that would parade down Halsted should the signs read "(minority of your choosing) go home, you're not welcome, this is a White Neighborhood" in Lincoln Park...

    All of this plays out well for dems though, which is why the have a stranglehold over the city.

    (p.s. be sure to click on the first link you won't want to miss that one, for some reason it isn't showing)
    Plus look at the man made lake they made there and the man made beach. Looks nice but it did cost. Humboldt Park. Moreover it still didn't reduce the bangers nor their influence.

    Which they are the main problem with the shootings and murders.

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    Re: Chicago now murder capital of U.S., FBI says

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Plus look at the man made lake they made there and the man made beach. Looks nice but it did cost. Humboldt Park. Moreover it still didn't reduce the bangers nor their influence.

    Which they are the main problem with the shootings and murders.

    Yeah, I had the opportunity to buy in HP about 7 years ago on the TIF, I took a pass, everyone was saying it was the next Bucktown...Glad I dodged that bullet (pun might have been intended...)

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    Re: Chicago now murder capital of U.S., FBI says

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    In more timely news, Chicago's murder rate has seen a dramatic decrease from 2012 to 2013. In the 262 days that have been completed thus far in 2013, there have been 311 murders in Chicago, putting us on pace for about 433 murders this year.

    Should that projection hold up, it will be the lowest murder total Chicago has seen since the 60's.

    Interestingly enough, last years' total number of murders was lower than the total number of murders seen in any year between 1988 to 2004. In fact, it was one of the lowest totals seen here since the 1960's.

    During my teenage years, the murder rate in Chicago was about double what it is this year. The year I graduated high school, 1995, there were 828 murders in Chicago, down significantly from the 931 in 1994.

    So crime here is down, big time, despite the narrative you are hearing in the media.

    This city is FAR safer than it was when I was a kid. That's a fact.
    Yeah, well the media does state it differently like they did in Jan of this year. From Chuck Goudie and the I Team Report.

    Chicago murder rate far worse than during Al Capone 'gangland' days
    Friday, February 01, 2013

    February 1, 2013 (CHICAGO) (WLS) -- In this I-Team report, Chicago's rising murder rate in a new context, how the numbers of shooting deaths compare to the city's most notorious crime era, the one that has tarnished Chicago's reputation around the world for a century.

    The surprising stats show the city is worse off now in the category of murder than at the height of the era that has driven Chicago's reputation for almost a century, Capone's "gangland" Chicago.

    Let's compare two months: January 1929, leading up to the St. Valentine's Day Massacre, and last month, January 2013. Forty-two people were killed in Chicago last month, the most in January since 2002, and far worse than the city's most notorious crime era at the end of the Roaring Twenties.

    In January 1992 there were 77 murders in Chicago. That is the January record. Most of the murders then and this year were with guns. That was also the case in 1929.

    There was no real gun control back in Capone's day. The first national firearms act wasn't signed until 1934. It required approval of the local police chief, federally registered fingerprints, federal background check and a $200 tax.....snip~

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    Re: Chicago now murder capital of U.S., FBI says

    Quote Originally Posted by ChezC3 View Post
    Yeah, I had the opportunity to buy in HP about 7 years ago on the TIF, I took a pass, everyone was saying it was the next Bucktown...Glad I dodged that bullet (pun might have been intended...)
    Well we may end up under the Total Shootings for 2012.....but not by much. So shootings are generally averaging around the same.

    Chicago shooting victims

    The map below shows where people were shot in Chicago, broken down by community area. The darker the shade of blue, the larger the number of victims. This data was last updated Sept. 20, 2013.


    1,651 shooting victims in 2013.

    Shootings -- Chicago Crime -- ChicagoTribune.com

    1893 in 2012.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    You forgot to add 'under Democrat leadership'.
    Yes, because clearly when street gangs fight it out, they are doing so under orders from Democrats. These are actually the people who are voting.
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    Re: Chicago now murder capital of U.S., FBI says

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Chicago, LA, Detroit, DC, Miami, Boston, Philly........

    It's no coincidence that the most dangerous and poorly run cities in the nation are also the bluest.
    While I realize that it's every conservative's job to blame everything bad that ever happens on the Democratic Party ...

    Democrats tend to get elected in urban areas.

    Urban areas tend to be more violent than rural areas.

    Correlation =/= causation.
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    Re: Chicago now murder capital of U.S., FBI says

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Yes, because clearly when street gangs fight it out, they are doing so under orders from Democrats. These are actually the people who are voting.
    Yeah.....that's what happens due to the Bangers becoming community Activists. Like the Vice Lords and the Blackstone who also received grants from the Feds and the State. Its not hard to find with history.

    Goes as far back as Capone.....truthfully.

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    Re: Chicago now murder capital of U.S., FBI says

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    While I realize that it's every conservative's job to blame everything bad that ever happens on the Democratic Party ...

    Democrats tend to get elected in urban areas.

    Urban areas tend to be more violent than rural areas.

    Correlation =/= causation.

    Then there is History......and the facts. Just like with Jeff Fort here.....also Friend and Protector of Jesse Jackson.

    Jeff Fort is a criminal born on February 20, 1947 in Aberdeen, Mississippi. He founded and led the Chicago gang called the Blackstone Rangers that later became Black P. Stone Nation. In 1972, Fort was convicted for misuse of federal funds for using grant money to pay gang members versus his stated intent to rehabilitate them. In prison he converted to Islam, and upon his release in 1976 he formed the El Rukn group to peddle drugs. Back in jail, he attempted to trade arms for money with the Libyan government in 1987 and was sentenced to 80 years in prison.



    With the help of local minister Reverend John Fry, Fort learned how to garner financial support from public agencies and philanthropists. Charities such as the Ford Foundation and the Kettering Foundation donated money to the P. Stone Nation, who had by then formed a faux political charter under the name The Woodlawn Organization. The Woodlawn Organization, or T.W.O.

    Fort also managed to obtain a $1 million federal grant from the Office of Economic Opportunity by claiming that he would use the money to teach job skills to gang members. Fort instead used the money to "pay" his gang members a salary that would, in turn, be given directly back to Fort.....snip~

    Jeff Fort Biography - Facts, Birthday, Life Story - Biography.com


    Now this is just with Fort and the Blackstone.....doesn't even include the Vice Lords or any Latin Kings. Which all go out and get the vote for none other than.....The Democrat!

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