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    Re: Navy Yard: Swat Team 'Stood Down' at mass shooting scene

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I just see a trend!
    What does that even mean? There was clearly a miscommunication, which is being vigorously investigated. What exactly are you attempting to portray here? The allegations were first made by the BBC, which cited an unnamed source. Until the investigation is complete and all radio logs reviewed, we don't actually know what happened.
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    This is so ridiculous! This absolutely shows how law enforcement teams and departments everywhere are basically "damned if you do, damned if you don't". Had they gone in, and anything looked wrong, including them just going in being many against just the one shooter, we would be hearing how they overreacted and/or overstepped what their job entails.
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    Re: Navy Yard: Swat Team 'Stood Down' at mass shooting scene

    Just read the OP's article.

    1. I would wait for the investigation to finish before rushing to judgement.
    "Gwendolyn Crump, a spokeswoman for the Metropolitan Police Department, which protects the city of Washington DC, said allegations that a Capitol Police Cert team was on scene and later stood down were "not true".

    "Capitol Hill Police chief Kim Dine has ordered "a comprehensive, independent review of the facts surrounding the Capitol Police's response to the Navy Yard shootings".

    2. The UK article quotes " a Capitol Police source ", but never identifies who this person is.
    I tend to be skeptical with unknown sources.

    3. Papers tend to look for the shocking headlines.

    4. I prefer to wait till the investigation and review is done to come to any conclusion.

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    Re: Navy Yard: Swat Team 'Stood Down' at mass shooting scene[W:13]

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    One of the first teams of heavily armed police to respond to Monday's shooting in Washington DC was ordered to stand down by superiors, the BBC can reveal.

    A tactical response team of the Capitol Police, a force that guards the US Capitol complex, was told to leave the scene by a supervisor instead of aiding municipal officers.

    BBC News - Navy Yard: Swat team 'stood down' at mass shooting scene
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    Re: Navy Yard: Swat Team 'Stood Down' at mass shooting scene

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    This is so ridiculous! This absolutely shows how law enforcement teams and departments everywhere are basically "damned if you do, damned if you don't". Had they gone in, and anything looked wrong, including them just going in being many against just the one shooter, we would be hearing how they overreacted and/or overstepped what their job entails.
    I don't think anyone is going to fault LEO's for trying. I, for one, will very swiftly begrudge someone for not trying.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Navy Yard: Swat Team 'Stood Down' at mass shooting scene

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    Just read the OP's article.

    1. I would wait for the investigation to finish before rushing to judgement.
    "Gwendolyn Crump, a spokeswoman for the Metropolitan Police Department, which protects the city of Washington DC, said allegations that a Capitol Police Cert team was on scene and later stood down were "not true".

    "Capitol Hill Police chief Kim Dine has ordered "a comprehensive, independent review of the facts surrounding the Capitol Police's response to the Navy Yard shootings".

    2. The UK article quotes " a Capitol Police source ", but never identifies who this person is.
    I tend to be skeptical with unknown sources.

    3. Papers tend to look for the shocking headlines.

    4. I prefer to wait till the investigation and review is done to come to any conclusion.
    Generally I would agree with you. It should be the smart thing to do. But it may not turn out that way.

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    Re: Navy Yard: Swat Team 'Stood Down' at mass shooting scene

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I don't think anyone is going to fault LEO's for trying. I, for one, will very swiftly begrudge someone for not trying.
    Many do in fact. Just look at some of the other threads in the Law and Order section complaining about what SWAT teams or other LEOs do. I go with allow LE officers to make the decisions. They handled the situation obviously, since the guy is dead. And it is wrong to sit back and try to criticize a law enforcement decision that no one can really say would have been best without a whole hell of a lot more facts.

    And trying to blame this on Obama is just more partisan politics. I absolutely guarantee that this was not his call at all being made if they were told to stand down and wait, likely for more information on exactly what was happening. Hindsight is 20/20.
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    Re: Navy Yard: Swat Team 'Stood Down' at mass shooting scene

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Many do in fact. Just look at some of the other threads in the Law and Order section complaining about what SWAT teams or other LEOs do. I go with allow LE officers to make the decisions. They handled the situation obviously, since the guy is dead. And it is wrong to sit back and try to criticize a law enforcement decision that no one can really say would have been best without a whole hell of a lot more facts.

    And trying to blame this on Obama is just more partisan politics. I absolutely guarantee that this was not his call at all being made if they were told to stand down and wait, likely for more information on exactly what was happening. Hindsight is 20/20.
    Claiming that NOTHING is EVER Obama's fault is just as partisan.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Navy Yard: Swat Team 'Stood Down' at mass shooting scene

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Claiming that NOTHING is EVER Obama's fault is just as partisan.
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