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    Re: Warren Buffet Says Scrap Obamacare Start over

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    The consumer is not "insulated", we pay for it all eventually....and when it comes to those without insurance, we do pay for that also...at higher levels.

    News flash, every country I am aware of with SP have lower costs.

    The point still is, Dr.'s/Clinics/Hospitals have no incentive to compete, they have for the most part a captive market.
    They also have lower levels of obesity, heart disease, diabetes, etc

    Apples to oranges

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    Re: Warren Buffet Says Scrap Obamacare Start over

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    You are entitled to your own opinion but you are not entitled to your own facts.

    As I research the origins of the Obamacare mess I'm finding some interesting articles. The first is this one, describing a Soros funded group of radical socialists with their fingerprints all over it. Revealed for first time: Sordid origins of Obamacare legislation traced to Soros group, marketed by slew of radicals. Klein Online

    Other articles credit Max Baucus who now says it's a mess. ObamaCare Author Max Baucus Sees

    An additional article says that a co author is Rob Andrews D NJ. 'Obamacare' Co-Author Defends His Handiwork ... - Fox Nation

    The fact is that the only reference I've seen connecting the Heritage Foundation to Obamacare is your post on the internet. Frankly, I don't think that anyone at the Heritage Foundation is crazy or stupid enough to come up with this piece of crap.
    ...as you said, you are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts.

    If you never heard the many of the precepts, particularly the concept of the individual mandate, were founded, suggested and advocated by the Heritage Foundation, then I suggest you are simply ill-informed. The concept of the individual mandate, the notion that everyone MUST have their own health insurance, purchased from private companies, is the crux of the ACA is very much a conservative idea.

    If you have never seen this on the Internet, then you are either spending all of your time on political porn sites (Klein Online / world net daily being one of the biggest and baddest of political porn sites) or simply have yet to master Google (I'm sure your local community college has a class)... or you can challenge me, I will hit you with a ton cites (want more?)

    Ironic challenge: Affordable Care Act's principles were originally conservative | PennLive.com
    How the Heritage Foundation, a Conservative Think Tank, Promoted the Individual Mandate - Forbes
    Health insurance mandate began as a Republican idea - The Boston Globe
    The Tortuous History of Conservatives and the Individual Mandate - Forbes
    http://www.cbo.gov/doc.cfm?index=4896&type=0

    Of course, whatever the Heritage Foundation failed to provide you can thank the last Republican candidate for President in helping to fill in the blanks with the successful implementation of the ACA prototype in Massachusetts.

    If ObamaCare Is So Bad, How Does RomneyCare Survive? - Forbes
    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...laws.html?_r=0

    The Baccus "authorship" of the ACA is no more original than any states "authorship" of legislation that was given to it by ALEC. Sorry, any Democrat that claims ownership of the intellectual property of Affordable Care Act is guilty of plagiarism.
    Last edited by upsideguy; 09-20-13 at 01:18 AM.

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    Re: Warren Buffet Says Scrap Obamacare Start over

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    The consumer is not "insulated", we pay for it all eventually....and when it comes to those without insurance, we do pay for that also...at higher levels.

    News flash, every country I am aware of with SP have lower costs.

    The point still is, Dr.'s/Clinics/Hospitals have no incentive to compete, they have for the most part a captive market.
    I don't think that is true in urban areas as far as doctors and clinics, but it is my understanding that some states do not allow competing hospitals to be built within the same geographic area (i.e city/county) as existing hospitals unless they can demonstrate there is a need for an additional hospital, basically giving the existing place(s) a monopoly, at least as far as emergency care.

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    Re: Warren Buffet Says Scrap Obamacare Start over

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    Warren Buffett: Scrap Obamacare and Start Over | The Weekly Standard

    "Healthcare costs in the United States are like a tapeworm eating at our economic body.

    "Those words come from famed investor Warren Buffett, who said he would scrap Obamacare and start all over.

    "'We have a health system that, in terms of costs, is really out of control,' he added. 'And if you take this line and you project what has been happening into the future, we will get less and less competitive. So we need something else.'

    "Buffett insists that without changes to Obamacare average citizens will suffer.
    "'Attack the costs first, and then worry about expanding coverage,' he said. 'I would much rather see another plan that really attacks costs. And I think that's what the American public wants to see. I mean, the American public is not behind this bill.'"
    Did anybody bother to source the OP? Because it's completely WRONG!!!

    A complete and utter LIE! This is NOT what Warren Buffett said. He wasn't talking about ObamaCare at all. He was referring to our health care system in general pre-ObamaCare.

    Here's a link to the actual CNBC video. Here is the video again as reported by the HuffingtonPost.com with accompanying news article UNEDITTED. In fact, when asked if given a choice would he vote for the PPACA, Buffett said, "if given a choice between what we have ("Plan A" - our current health care system) and 'Plan B' - the PPACA bill (before it became law), he'd take 'Plan B' but he'd prefer a 'Plan B' but he'd like to see a 'Plan C' that brought down the cost of health care."
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    Re: Warren Buffet Says Scrap Obamacare Start over

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    ...as you said, you are entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts.

    If you never heard the many of the precepts, particularly the concept of the individual mandate, were founded, suggested and advocated by the Heritage Foundation, then I suggest you are simply ill-informed. The concept of the individual mandate, the notion that everyone MUST have their own health insurance, purchased from private companies, is the crux of the ACA is very much a conservative idea.

    If you have never seen this on the Internet, then you are either spending all of your time on political porn sites (Klein Online / world net daily being one of the biggest and baddest of political porn sites) or simply have yet to master Google (I'm sure your local community college has a class)... or you can challenge me, I will hit you with a ton cites (want more?)

    Ironic challenge: Affordable Care Act's principles were originally conservative | PennLive.com
    How the Heritage Foundation, a Conservative Think Tank, Promoted the Individual Mandate - Forbes
    Health insurance mandate began as a Republican idea - The Boston Globe
    The Tortuous History of Conservatives and the Individual Mandate - Forbes
    http://www.cbo.gov/doc.cfm?index=4896&type=0

    Of course, whatever the Heritage Foundation failed to provide you can thank the last Republican candidate for President in helping to fill in the blanks with the successful implementation of the ACA prototype in Massachusetts.

    If ObamaCare Is So Bad, How Does RomneyCare Survive? - Forbes
    http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2...laws.html?_r=0

    The Baccus "authorship" of the ACA is no more original than any states "authorship" of legislation that was given to it by ALEC. Sorry, any Democrat that claims ownership of the intellectual property of Affordable Care Act is guilty of plagiarism.
    You act as if the individual mandate is all there is to Obamacare. Nothing could be further from the truth. That concept could be put down in a couple pages and Obamacare consists of thousands of pages of taxes, regulations and mandates. I don't doubt that the concept could have originated at the Heritage Foundation. Lots of people work at that think tank and lots of different suggestions came from them. Republicans are full of bad ideas. So are Democrats. That's one I don't agree with however, the totality of Obamacare was not authored by Heritage, they do not support it in it's present form and neither does anyone else who has to deal with it's expense or complexities. Obamacare is strictly a Democrat bill, Democrats own it and if they had any sense they'd listen to the American people and scrap it.

    One fact is inescapable. The Heritage Foundation did nor write Obamacare, nor did they force it on Democrats or they responsible for the bill which is poorly conceived, poorly written and so far poorly executed.

    With Respect to Romneycare, I don't like it either but I don't have the same objective to it that I do to Obamacare because I believe the constitution authorized the states to deal with issues like health insurance. If they like it or want it in Mass. So be it.

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    Re: Warren Buffet Says Scrap Obamacare Start over

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Did anybody bother to source the OP? Because it's completely WRONG!!!

    A complete and utter LIE! This is NOT what Warren Buffett said. He wasn't talking about ObamaCare at all. He was referring to our health care system in general pre-ObamaCare.

    Here's a link to the actual CNBC video. Here is the video again as reported by the HuffingtonPost.com with accompanying news article UNEDITTED. In fact, when asked if given a choice would he vote for the PPACA, Buffett said, "if given a choice between what we have ("Plan A" - our current health care system) and 'Plan B' - the PPACA bill (before it became law), he'd take 'Plan B' but he'd prefer a 'Plan B' but he'd like to see a 'Plan C' that brought down the cost of health care."
    Listening to Buffet gave me a better understanding of the quotes above with respect to context. They aren't completely wrong however. He did say our system prior to Obamacare was like a tapeworm. I don't know that I agree with him about that. He did say that there was a better option than Obamacare that concentrated on lowering medical costs which he hoped we would implement instead of Obamacare. Finally said he said Obamacare was better than doing nothing. He's a democrat, that's what I would have expected.

    You're right that the quotes are partisan and better understood in context. They are not however an utter lie.

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    Re: Warren Buffet Says Scrap Obamacare Start over

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    They also have lower levels of obesity, heart disease, diabetes, etc

    Apples to oranges
    I was addressing the COST OF SERVICES, not the comparative health of populations.

    Content and context phail.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Warren Buffet Says Scrap Obamacare Start over

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    I don't think that is true in urban areas as far as doctors and clinics
    Go ahead and show how a person with private insurance can go outside of his group plan and have a lower cost of procedure.....and get an estimate of the service prior to the procedure.
    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Warren Buffet Says Scrap Obamacare Start over

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Go ahead and show how a person with private insurance can go outside of his group plan and have a lower cost of procedure.....and get an estimate of the service prior to the procedure.
    Why since that is not what I was responding to. We have 2 different doc in a boxes across the road from each other that have different charges for different things than the other. The cheaper one has longer wait times and the more more expensive one has less wait time because they have more staff. Insurance is irrelevant to their competition.

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    Re: Warren Buffet Says Scrap Obamacare Start over

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Why since that is not what I was responding to. We have 2 different doc in a boxes across the road from each other that have different charges for different things than the other. The cheaper one has longer wait times and the more more expensive one has less wait time because they have more staff. Insurance is irrelevant to their competition.
    So both are within your providers/group plan?
    Last edited by Gimmesometruth; 09-20-13 at 01:38 PM.
    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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