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    Re: Warren Buffet Says Scrap Obamacare Start over

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    I suppose that would depend on the amount the insurance agreements compensate the hospitals for.

    Like the auto repair industry, everything tends to be flat rated.

    X dollars for a broken toe, Y dollars for a sore throat.

    Profit for the hospital then comes down to a volume business, with a higher patient load.
    The analogy with auto repair is so faulty, you can get estimates prior to payment, the labor costs are known and are generally very competitive as are parts costs, information is freely available, and you are not locked into having to purchase from a restricted set of service providers.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Warren Buffet Says Scrap Obamacare Start over

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    The analogy with auto repair is so faulty, you can get estimates prior to payment, the labor costs are known and are generally very competitive as are parts costs, information is freely available, and you are not locked into having to purchase from a restricted set of service providers.
    Please don't wade into waters you're obviously unfamiliar with.

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    Re: Warren Buffet Says Scrap Obamacare Start over

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Please don't wade into waters you're obviously unfamiliar with.
    LOL...you are not a Dr/clinic owner......and I am a mechanic/auto repair bussiness owner......and a consumer of private insurance.

    I know you just can't help yourself from getting personal, but try to address the points by countering them.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Warren Buffet Says Scrap Obamacare Start over

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    LOL...you are not a Dr/clinic owner......and I am a mechanic/auto repair owner......and a consumer of private insurance.

    I know you just can't help yourself from getting personal, but try to address the point by counter them.
    How do you know I'm not? Are you getting personal?

    If you're a mechaninc/auto repair owner, then you will be know the following:

    Skill Level B (Factory Time) (.6) MOTOR Time .7

    Please decipher.

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    Re: Warren Buffet Says Scrap Obamacare Start over

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    How do you know I'm not? Are you getting personal?
    Um, because you have mentioned you are in batteries.

    If you're a mechaninc/auto repair owner, then you will be know the following:

    Skill Level B (Factory Time) (.6) MOTOR Time .7

    Please decipher.
    Um, b level mechanics have some certification and a few years of experience, dealer time on a service charge 6 tenths of an hour, and time according to to the MOTOR book is 7 tenths of an hour......but I use ON DEMAND.

    But again, instead of addressing the points made......you continue with the personal.....oy vey.
    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Warren Buffet Says Scrap Obamacare Start over

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    The USA needs to go with single payer.
    I know that a lot of people are opposed to it, but it can be made to work.
    Of course it can. It works all over the world, after all, and costs a lot less than the system we haven now.
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    Re: Warren Buffet Says Scrap Obamacare Start over

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    How do you know I'm not? Are you getting personal?

    If you're a mechaninc/auto repair owner, then you will be know the following:

    Skill Level B (Factory Time) (.6) MOTOR Time .7

    Please decipher.
    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Um, because you have mentioned you are in batteries.

    Um, b level mechanics have some certification and a few years of experience, dealer time on a service charge 6 tenths of an hour, and time according to to the MOTOR book is 7 tenths of an hour......but I use ON DEMAND.

    But again, instead of addressing the points made......you continue with the personal.....oy vey.
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    Re: Warren Buffet Says Scrap Obamacare Start over

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    Um, because you have mentioned you are in batteries.

    Um, b level mechanics have some certification and a few years of experience, dealer time on a service charge 6 tenths of an hour, and time according to to the MOTOR book is 7 tenths of an hour......but I use ON DEMAND.

    But again, instead of addressing the points made......you continue with the personal.....oy vey.
    Nothing personal. It would be nice if you stop going there.

    I was just attempting to establish some credibility.

    The reason I raised the flat rate point is because begining with DRG's, health care compensation has used a flat rate approach to compensation from insurance companies. If you recall, I referred to X dollars for a broken toe, etc..

    As to batteries, the equipment I manufacture use them, I don't make them.

    But that is another topic.

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    Re: Warren Buffet Says Scrap Obamacare Start over

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Nothing personal.
    Actually, it was and I am not the only one who noticed.
    It would be nice if you stop going there.
    I did not initiate it, you did.

    I was just attempting to establish some credibility.
    You challenged me on a personal level to see if I was a liar about my occupation so as to discredit my observation that your analogy is false in the current system....while you are claiming I am making it personal. Wow.

    The reason I raised the flat rate point is because begining with DRG's, health care compensation has used a flat rate approach to compensation from insurance companies. If you recall, I referred to X dollars for a broken toe, etc..
    A fee structure for procedures between insurance corps and Dr.s/Clinics are in use.....but as a rule patients are not privy to that data......and again, patients are locked into groups.....and there is no competition within a group.

    This has been in place for decades, it has had little to no effect on reducing costs for patients.....because there is little competition or incentive for insurance corps to reduce costs.


    As to batteries, the equipment I manufacture use them, I don't make them.

    But that is another topic.
    I don't really care, other than it undercuts an insinuation that you have superior knowledge.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Warren Buffet Says Scrap Obamacare Start over

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    Abandon the medicare, medicaid and obamacare systems.

    Adopt universal healthcare as it is in France!
    (Projectile vomit icon)
    The government projects the health-care system’s 2013 shortfall will be about €5.1 billion, down from €11.6 billion in 2010. Yet that forecast may be optimistic, since it’s based on the assumption that the economy will grow 0.8 percent—double the European Commission’s estimate.

    France’s system “is simply unaffordable, unsustainable, and the manner in which it’s financed is a huge burden on the economy,” says Nicholas Spiro, managing director of Spiro Sovereign Strategy in London. “The French are not being realistic.”

    http://www.businessweek.com/articles...is-going-broke
    Hey! But I hear they're going to make it up on volume.

    And...

    Yeah... great system. They have a heat wave, the Docs are on vacation, stay on vacation and 14,000 die. No hotter than typical southern weather and you don't see tens of thousands of Americans dying year after year due to it.
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