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    Re: Warren Buffet Says Scrap Obamacare Start over

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    That is directly related to co pays. Flat co pays = patient has no vested interest in costs.
    I think it is more an issue of Dr.'s/Clinics/Hospitals having no interest in competing on price...nor do they need to since most consumers are tied to their group plan.
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    Re: Warren Buffet Says Scrap Obamacare Start over

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    That is directly related to co pays. Flat co pays = patient has no vested interest in costs.
    Yes. So the system can charge anything it wants, while the patient is insulated from the cost.

    I'd think that would get even worse under a single payer program.

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    Re: Warren Buffet Says Scrap Obamacare Start over

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    not true.... If the Dems could have had anything they wanted, we would have universal healthcare. Instead, we had to settle for something designed by the Heritage Foundation.
    You are entitled to your own opinion but you are not entitled to your own facts. As I research the origins of the Obamacare mess I'm finding some interesting articles. The first is this one, describing a Soros funded group of radical socialists with their fingerprints all over it. Revealed for first time: Sordid origins of Obamacare legislation traced to Soros group, marketed by slew of radicals. Klein Online

    Other articles credit Max Baucus who now says it's a mess. ObamaCare Author Max Baucus Sees

    An additional article says that a co author is Rob Andrews D NJ. 'Obamacare' Co-Author Defends His Handiwork ... - Fox Nation

    The fact is that the only reference I've seen connecting the Heritage Foundation to Obamacare is your post on the internet. Frankly, I don't think that anyone at the Heritage Foundation is crazy or stupid enough to come up with this piece of crap.

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    Re: Warren Buffet Says Scrap Obamacare Start over

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    Universal... I disagree with. I don't like the idea of government mandated salary cuts for healthcare workers. I don't want a doctor who is an employee of the government.
    Neither do I, which is why I said a universal health insurance, not health care run by the government. Let the free market bring down prices while at the same time ensuring that no one has to go bankrupt due to a serious illness or accident.
    "Donald Trump is a phony, a fraud... [he's] playing the American public for suckers." Mitt Romney

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    Re: Warren Buffet Says Scrap Obamacare Start over

    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    I think it is more an issue of Dr.'s/Clinics/Hospitals having no interest in competing on price...nor do they need to since most consumers are tied to their group plan.
    You're right.... but I was more or lest trying to explain why consumers don't ask about what they are being charged for.

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    Re: Warren Buffet Says Scrap Obamacare Start over

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Yes. So the system can charge anything it wants, while the patient is insulated from the cost.

    I'd think that would get even worse under a single payer program.
    I'd agree. But Gimmesometruth ^ also raises the other side of the issue, which is that hospitals have no need to compete on price when they have their customers locked up via insurance agreements.

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    Re: Warren Buffet Says Scrap Obamacare Start over

    Quote Originally Posted by Midwest Lib View Post
    I agree. Scrap it. The only people who "like" Obama care are the people on the left who will support, in a hyper-partisan manner, anything that their side puts to paper. Most free thinking liberals I know dislike Obamacare as much as many conservatives (although for some different reasons)

    A big reason I voted for Obama in 2008 was the possibility of UHC and a single payer system. What we got was a bloated piece of crap that continues to serve big business above all.

    I say scrap it and work on medicare for all.



    I'm down with that idea, the USA needs to go with a single payer system.

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    Re: Warren Buffet Says Scrap Obamacare Start over

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    I'd agree. But Gimmesometruth ^ also raises the other side of the issue, which is that hospitals have no need to compete on price when they have their customers locked up via insurance agreements.
    I suppose that would depend on the amount the insurance agreements compensate the hospitals for.

    Like the auto repair industry, everything tends to be flat rated.

    X dollars for a broken toe, Y dollars for a sore throat.

    Profit for the hospital then comes down to a volume business, with a higher patient load.

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    Re: Warren Buffet Says Scrap Obamacare Start over

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Buffet is right. Let's scrap it, and start over, but let's not just go back to what we had before "Obamacare" was passed.
    The costs were already unsustainable, and had been for quite some time.



    The USA needs to go with single payer.
    I know that a lot of people are opposed to it, but it can be made to work.

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    Re: Warren Buffet Says Scrap Obamacare Start over

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Yes. So the system can charge anything it wants, while the patient is insulated from the cost.

    I'd think that would get even worse under a single payer program.
    The consumer is not "insulated", we pay for it all eventually....and when it comes to those without insurance, we do pay for that also...at higher levels.

    News flash, every country I am aware of with SP have lower costs.

    The point still is, Dr.'s/Clinics/Hospitals have no incentive to compete, they have for the most part a captive market.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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