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    Re: Warren Buffet Says Scrap Obamacare Start over

    Quote Originally Posted by rcart76 View Post
    My only problem with this is that you are going to have more sicknesses on the street causing a evening bigger issue in the low income areas.
    Set up free clinics. No reason you should be going into the ER for a runny nose. period.

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    Re: Warren Buffet Says Scrap Obamacare Start over

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    Which is why they market up the prices for the uninsured by 30% to create the illusion of a discount. Honestly, I'd rather just see them be charged one price. Otherwise it just feels like collusion and price setting.
    Perhaps that is what they are doing, marking up the prices for the uninsured to make them feel like the discount is a good deal. That's not the sense that I get, but perhaps that could be true.

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    Re: Warren Buffet Says Scrap Obamacare Start over

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Perhaps that is what they are doing, marking up the prices for the uninsured to make them feel like the discount is a good deal. That's not the sense that I get, but perhaps that could be true.
    The prices that they charge the uninsured are absolutely absurd, which is why people negotiate or declare bankruptcy instead of paying them. The prices that they charge insurance companies are more reflective of the true cost of healthcare. Either way, I see this somewhat as price fixing between companies, which is anti-competition. I think most of that can be easily fixed by changing these sweetheart discounts and pushing people towards a high deductible plan (which incentivizes shopping around) instead of one with flat copays.

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    Re: Warren Buffet Says Scrap Obamacare Start over

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    The prices that they charge the uninsured are absolutely absurd, which is why people negotiate or declare bankruptcy instead of paying them. The prices that they charge insurance companies are more reflective of the true cost of healthcare. Either way, I see this somewhat as price fixing between companies, which is anti-competition. I think most of that can be easily fixed by changing these sweetheart discounts and pushing people towards a high deductible plan (which incentivizes shopping around) instead of one with flat copays.
    That's exactly the direction we need to go, a high deductible universal health insurance that covers everyone.
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    Re: Warren Buffet Says Scrap Obamacare Start over

    Quote Originally Posted by ReformCollege View Post
    The prices that they charge the uninsured are absolutely absurd, which is why people negotiate or declare bankruptcy instead of paying them. The prices that they charge insurance companies are more reflective of the true cost of healthcare. Either way, I see this somewhat as price fixing between companies, which is anti-competition. I think most of that can be easily fixed by changing these sweetheart discounts and pushing people towards a high deductible plan (which incentivizes shopping around) instead of one with flat copays.
    There is no question the way healthcare is priced needs to be addressed. Rarely, if ever, does a patient ask for a price list for services. Back when health savings accounts were being promoted, there seemed to be more emphasis on shopping around.

    Today, a patient enters a doctors office, and rarely has any idea how much the service they are asking for is going to cost.

    One great concern I have is the quality of care that will be available, beyond the cost. With reports indicating the compensation rate to doctors will be severely limited, where are all the doctors going to come from who will be needed to administer care?

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    Re: Warren Buffet Says Scrap Obamacare Start over

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    You might want to rethink that. No Republicans voted for it but Democrats passed it. Democrats could have done anything they wanted.
    not true.... If the Dems could have had anything they wanted, we would have universal healthcare. Instead, we had to settle for something designed by the Heritage Foundation.

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    Re: Warren Buffet Says Scrap Obamacare Start over

    Quote Originally Posted by SBu View Post
    Couldn't agree more. The problem with Obamacare is that it addresses symptoms rather than addressing the problem. The problem seems to be that hospitals come up with arbitrary charge schemes. Not such a bad idea for a business to do that except this is healthcare we're talking about and not buying a sandwich. Why not just come up with a cap system for what hospitals can charge? Maybe also think of ways to increase competition among hospitals. Don't make people buy insurance if they don't need it, can't afford it, or can't navigate it. Just lower costs so a trip to the hospital for both an insured person and a non-insured person is manageable financially?

    Obamacare's solution: Well, it's too difficult to address the problems, so we'll just make everyone pay more. Doesn't take thousands of pages to say that.
    Well you heard it right here folks, simple as a sunny day.
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    Re: Warren Buffet Says Scrap Obamacare Start over

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    Well you heard it right here folks, simple as a sunny day.
    Sure is here.

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    Re: Warren Buffet Says Scrap Obamacare Start over

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    That's exactly the direction we need to go, a high deductible universal health insurance that covers everyone.
    Universal... I disagree with. I don't like the idea of government mandated salary cuts for healthcare workers. I don't want a doctor who is an employee of the government.

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    Re: Warren Buffet Says Scrap Obamacare Start over

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    There is no question the way healthcare is priced needs to be addressed. Rarely, if ever, does a patient ask for a price list for services. Back when health savings accounts were being promoted, there seemed to be more emphasis on shopping around.

    Today, a patient enters a doctors office, and rarely has any idea how much the service they are asking for is going to cost.

    One great concern I have is the quality of care that will be available, beyond the cost. With reports indicating the compensation rate to doctors will be severely limited, where are all the doctors going to come from who will be needed to administer care?
    That is directly related to co pays. Flat co pays = patient has no vested interest in costs.

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