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    Re: Warren Buffet Says Scrap Obamacare Start over[W:67]

    Defund Obamacare? Warren Buffett Quote Spurs GOP Hope - Business Insider

    "Here's the problem with that evidence: Warren Buffett did not say that, and definitely not yesterday. And though certain unions within the AFL-CIO have well-documented problems with Obamacare, that sweeping statement misrepresents the union's position.

    Debbie Bosanek, a spokesman for Buffett, told Business Insider that she alerted Buffett to the quote, and said he was shocked that it was attributed to him.

    "It is a very false representation," Bosanek said. "Mr. Buffett never, ever said Obamacare should be scrapped. He never said it, and he never thought it."
    "Obamacare delenda est"

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    Now if we can just get a quote out of Souros, the entire committee of overlords will have pointed out what a pos that law is.
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    Re: Warren Buffet Says Scrap Obamacare Start over

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    I know some people truly believe this kind of stuff, but others of us enjoy living in a civilized country. Certainly your post is a good rebuttal to those that want to declare America a Christian as what you advocate is anything but Christian:

    Matthew 25 40-46 “The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’ 41 “Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’ 44 “They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’ 45 “He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’ 46 “Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
    I don't know the bible very well...I'm not religious...but I see nothing there that says the government is responsible for helping people...only people helping people. Voluntarily.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Midwest Lib View Post
    I agree. Scrap it. The only people who "like" Obama care are the people on the left who will support, in a hyper-partisan manner, anything that their side puts to paper. Most free thinking liberals I know dislike Obamacare as much as many conservatives (although for some different reasons)

    A big reason I voted for Obama in 2008 was the possibility of UHC and a single payer system. What we got was a bloated piece of crap that continues to serve big business above all.

    I say scrap it and work on medicare for all.
    I think Obamacare needs an overhaul but single-payer is not the answer...unless you enjoying dealing with the post office, DMV and nearly every other government beauracracy/monopoly and would especially enjoy it if you're feeling horrible when you need to del with them.

    What we need is something that:

    - Saves money by eliminating middle-men who add their profits into our costs (health insurance).
    - Reduces costs and drives innovation through competition
    - Gets people's employers out of the equation and thus control over what level of healthcare we may receive and from which provider
    - Keeps in place the individual mandate with back-payments assessed for those who don't comply. Tie payments to something we must have like utilities, rent/mortgage, mail delivery or payroll.
    - Something that keeps those with pre-existing conditions from falling through the cracks.
    - Something that offers annual rebates for choosing healthy lifestyles such as no drugs, no alcohol, low cholesterol, low triglycerides, low weight, low heart rate, documented to regularly work out, etc.; both individually and a separate rebate based on the group we belong to overall average.

    Something that keeps all members of the same household on a single family membership provided they live under that same roof or are away at college.
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    Re: Warren Buffet Says Scrap Obamacare Start over

    Twelve pages now, all about a statement that Buffet actually didn't make.
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    Re: Warren Buffet Says Scrap Obamacare Start over

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    If, as you say, cost control is the point, and I totally agree that it has to be the point, then applying market principles to the problem is a good way to accomplish that.
    So this is your brand of "thinking outside the box"?

    Markets that are profit based...for medical care....are immoral. I would venture that greed is 99% of the reason why we spend @ 30% more for health care than the rest of the modern world. Profit based competition is not the answer to lowering health costs. You have had competitive markets within states for over the last 100 years and it has not lead to cost reductions.
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    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
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    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Smeagol View Post
    I think Obamacare needs an overhaul but single-payer is not the answer...unless you enjoying dealing with the post office, DMV and nearly every other government beauracracy/monopoly and would especially enjoy it if you're feeling horrible when you need to del with them........

    What we need is something that:

    - Saves money by eliminating middle-men who add their profits into our costs (health insurance).
    - Reduces costs and drives innovation through competition
    - Gets people's employers out of the equation and thus control over what level of healthcare we may receive and from which provider
    - Keeps in place the individual mandate with back-payments assessed for those who don't comply. Tie payments to something we must have like utilities, rent/mortgage, mail delivery or payroll.
    - Something that keeps those with pre-existing conditions from falling through the cracks.
    - Something that offers annual rebates for choosing healthy lifestyles such as no drugs, no alcohol, low cholesterol, low triglycerides, low weight, low heart rate, documented to regularly work out, etc.; both individually and a separate rebate based on the group we belong to overall average.
    I see, you are against govt bureaucracy.....but are ok with private corporations testing you regularly for drugs, alcohol, going through your frig and garbage.....


    Wow.
    Quote Originally Posted by trouble13 View Post
    If you wanna know why Trumpsters are ignoring you its for the same reason you ignored the KKKs complaints about Obama.
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    When it comes down to it, all facts are cherry picked.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    He didn't say it didn't make sense. He said it is complete nonsense.

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    Re: Warren Buffet Says Scrap Obamacare Start over

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    So, our health care system is OK, it is just fat, lazy Americans who are straining the system. That's why we pay more than twice as much on average as France.

    No kidding?
    Sounds about right. But you are also ignoring that France pays whatever France wants to pay for their healthcare. They set the cost and amount of services and control who gets what. Doesn't mean they have better services then us, I highly doubt our country could get away with France's level of funding without a huge increase in morbidity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gimmesometruth View Post
    I see, you are against govt bureaucracy.....but are ok with private corporations testing you regularly for drugs, alcohol, going through your frig and garbage.....


    Wow.
    I think you're missing a key factor. Nobody has to try to get the rebate. If you don't want to do things that'll make your healthcare less expensive of offer support that show you do, then fine, just skip getting a Christmas bonus rebate check once a year.
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    Re: Warren Buffet Says Scrap Obamacare Start over

    Quote Originally Posted by Dittohead not! View Post
    Twelve pages now, all about a statement that Buffet actually didn't make.
    Tell me about it.

    Today in Conservative Obamacare Self-Delusion -- Daily Intelligencer


    The quote was picked up by Jeffrey H. Anderson of the Weekly Standard — “You know things are bad for President Obama when even Warren Buffett has soured on Obamacare and says that ‘we need something else’” — and ricocheted around the conservative-news world, implanting itself in Jordan’s mind as yet the latest evidence that even supporters of Obamacare recognize it is doomed to failure.

    In fact, the Buffett quote came from comments he made in 2010, when the health-care law was being cobbled together in Congress. His denunciation of “what we have right now” refers to the pre-Obamacare status quo. Buffett said in that interview he would prefer a better health-care bill than the one that was before Congress, but also preferred the one before Congress to doing nothing and would vote for it: “If it was a choice today between plan A, which is what we've got, or plan B, what is in front of — the Senate bill, I would vote for the Senate bill,” Buffett said. “But I would much rather see a plan C that really attacks costs.”
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