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Aaron Alexis: Washington navy yard gunman obsessed with violent video games.

Why yes, of course I realize it can be applied in the EXACT SAME MANNER.

I suppose one would have to be ignorant to think I wouldn't realize that. :cool:

So should we seek to limit pee'ing and breathing since there's a "growing correlation" between those things as well?
 
So should we seek to limit pee'ing and breathing since there's a "growing correlation" between those things as well?

And MacDonalds...DON'T FORGET MACDONALDS! THE PINK GOO!!!!11111!!111
 
So should we seek to limit pee'ing and breathing since there's a "growing correlation" between those things as well?

Good point and a great place to start. You can take your pecker in one hand and your toothbrush in the other, take a piss, and brush your teeth. Same with breathing. Try not breathing and taking a long pee. The video games require an immersion level of concentration to be successful in the game. A true vicarious experience. Try that taking a pee and gaming. In your pants, I guess. I've repaired thousands and owned hundreds of arcade video games. You have to be a good player to be a good repairman so I speak from first hand experience. I never took any game habits home with me, but often wondered how it would affect youthful, not fully developed, minds. Perhaps that is what we are seeing or it's just our Corporate induced callous attitude toward our unsustainable life style. Nature always seeks balance.
 
The same "morbid" fascination that causes children to play Cops and Robbers or Cowboys and Indians and other such things. The same "morbid" fascination people have with reading and watching and listening to historical accounts of war. The same "morbid" fascination that people have with watching police footage of chase scenes. The same "morbid" fascination people have with watching boxing or the UFC or football. The same "morbid" fascination that people have with playing paintball or shooting at more realistic target pictures at a range. The same reason people have a "Morbid" fascination with reading books with the main character depicting someone in the military, law enforcement, etc.

Shockingly, those type of things aren't typically focused on nearly as much because the Paster at the local fundamentalist church doesn't think it's destroying the souls of our children and older people everywhere look down their nose at it with disdain as being somehow significantly different than other forms of media.


I played cops and robbers as a youth, and I've seen Call of Duty, care to try again?
 
Good point and a great place to start. You can take your pecker in one hand and your toothbrush in the other, take a piss, and brush your teeth. Same with breathing. Try not breathing and taking a long pee. The video games require an immersion level of concentration to be successful in the game. A true vicarious experience. Try that taking a pee and gaming. In your pants, I guess. I've repaired thousands and owned hundreds of arcade video games. You have to be a good player to be a good repairman so I speak from first hand experience. I never took any game habits home with me, but often wondered how it would affect youthful, not fully developed, minds. Perhaps that is what we are seeing or it's just our Corporate induced callous attitude toward our unsustainable life style. Nature always seeks balance.

Stop. You'll go blind.
 
Good point and a great place to start. You can take your pecker in one hand and your toothbrush in the other, take a piss, and brush your teeth. Same with breathing. Try not breathing and taking a long pee. The video games require an immersion level of concentration to be successful in the game. A true vicarious experience. Try that taking a pee and gaming. In your pants, I guess. I've repaired thousands and owned hundreds of arcade video games. You have to be a good player to be a good repairman so I speak from first hand experience. I never took any game habits home with me, but often wondered how it would affect youthful, not fully developed, minds. Perhaps that is what we are seeing or it's just our Corporate induced callous attitude toward our unsustainable life style. Nature always seeks balance.

Hey, I'm not going to argue that your 11 year old still developing shouldn't be playing Black Ops 2. Then again, your 11 year old can't legally get Call of Duty Black Ops 2 unless their parents decide to purchase it for them. It's rated M for mature, meaning 17+ to buy it. Same goes for the majority of the more "realistic" games that are "violent" in nature.

Could a 11 year old growing up playing realistic looking violent games with poor parental supervision or teaching in terms of the context one needs to understand with such games cause some issues? Sure, I'd say that's possible. That same 11 year old watching gory and violent Rated R movies in a similar fashion ALSO is likely to be having similar problems. Which takes me back to my original point, Video Games are the scape goat that makes nice sensationalized stories in the media and an easy target...but the reality are underlying issues. In terms of children playing games they can't even legally buy, the issue is parenting not video games.
 
Hey, I'm not going to argue that your 11 year old still developing shouldn't be playing Black Ops 2. Then again, your 11 year old can't legally get Call of Duty Black Ops 2 unless their parents decide to purchase it for them. It's rated M for mature, meaning 17+ to buy it. Same goes for the majority of the more "realistic" games that are "violent" in nature.

Could a 11 year old growing up playing realistic looking violent games with poor parental supervision or teaching in terms of the context one needs to understand with such games cause some issues? Sure, I'd say that's possible. That same 11 year old watching gory and violent Rated R movies in a similar fashion ALSO is likely to be having similar problems. Which takes me back to my original point, Video Games are the scape goat that makes nice sensationalized stories in the media and an easy target...but the reality are underlying issues. In terms of children playing games they can't even legally buy, the issue is parenting not video games.

I have to concur on the parenting.

Does the name Lt. Colonel Dave Grossman ring a bell ?

>"Grossman's law enforcement presentation, "The Bulletproof Mind," covered several subjects in a systematic and understandable progression. He laid the basis for his training by illustrating how we are living in the most violent and brutal times in modern peacetime history. He compared the statistics for assault and murder throughout the world, and extrapolated the numbers taking technological advances in emergency medicine, transportation, and communications into consideration. The colonel described America today as being far more dangerous than even Dodge City in the 1880s. In this context he examined the law enforcement officer's role as the foundation on which modern civilization and democracy rest.

Colonel Grossman next gave a comprehensive explanation of gunfight dynamics from start to aftermath. Drawing from his own research, as well as building on the work of others, Grossman described the anatomy and physiology of changes the body goes through in a life-or-death situation. He spoke about changes in brain function, rational thought, and perception in relation to accelerated heart rates. He described the proportionate crash that follows an adrenaline peak, and the resulting risk to officer safety from reduced mental efficiency.

In simple and understandable terms, Grossman went over the psychology of the act of killing. Taking another human being's life is a highly unnatural act. People must be conditioned through proper training to overcome this natural revulsion, and to react automatically when it becomes necessary. In the aftermath, it is a given that specific physical and mental symptoms will manifest themselves. When they do, the condition is known as Post-Traumatic Stress Disorder or PTSD for short. PTSD can result in severe depression, suicide, and destroyed families. Proper officer survival training should include the recognition of PTSD, and how to respond to it. The effects of PTSD can be mitigated by how we respond to others who have been involved in a critical incident.

Colonel Grossman unveiled what he believes to be the largest single threat to modern civilization: violent media and video games. As a soldier, this nemesis is Grossman's new Evil Empire, and he attacks it with a vengeance. Since television was introduced in the 1950s people have been gradually desensitized to violence, and conditioned to choose violence as an acceptable or even admirable method of solving problems. In television and movies, whenever an injustice needs to be righted, or a character becomes bothersome the solution is to blow them away. It's quick, provides instant gratification, and makes the purveyor of the act a hero. Who wants to suffer through a problem for months and work through it rationally, spiritually, or through communication? Yes, I was skeptical. We've all watched those movies and played video games with no conscious effect on our minds, but the statistics presented by Grossman weighed heavily in favor of his position. The operative word here is "conscious." As an expert in Psy-Ops (psychological) warfare, Grossman is well aware of the subliminal influence of the media. When it is pointed out it becomes painfully obvious that we have been effected..."<
continue.-> Impact of Gossman's Lecture on Media and Video Game Violence
 
I guess my issue in terms of video games is why stop there? What's the ulterior motive here that it seems they're the ONLY type of violent media being talked about. Shall we force them to install V-Chip like devices to their Televisions to block out any television show with the designation of V for Violence or FV for Fantasy Violence? Ban the sell of PG-13 and Rated R movies to them that have some form of voilence as a reason for their rating? Shall we ban them from purchasing books that have violent scenes or topics? Shall we be sure they aren't able to buy violent songs, like for example one talking about lighting up the sky with bombs and putting boots up peoples asses?

People keep talking about "correlation". Almost every abortion clinic bombing or murder of workers in such clinics has occured by someone whose religious. Shall we also be banning the Bible from mentally handicapped as well?

Let's start slow and see where it goes. Primarily mental health issues seems to be the flashpoint - guns and violence in video games may just be the fuel.
 
You never know. I play bejeweled for hours and sometimes get this insane urge to go into a jewelry store and match up all the stones. I never act on it of course but you could imagine if I did.

That's cause you're a woman. :D
 
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BAN ALL GUNS!!!!!!!!! NRA, GOP, RACISISM.......BLAH BLAH BLAH

However, lets never ever consider the culture we are raising our children in & the complete lack of respect for human life it now seems to have.........it would be EASIER to just take away protected freedoms, our dealing with mental health issues for that matter

Yeah because the NRA shows such respect for human life.

The conservative reversomeme in full display mode.
 
Now listen up...this may be a shocker: Humans are humans. Along with communication and building stuff, we also excell at killing each other. Been doing it for millenia, with rocks, sticks, axs, swords, hammers, string....guns are just the next step. As soon as someone figures it out, we'll be doing it telepathically. What's the common denominator? Humans. Not rocks, not sticks, not guns.

Then let's ban guns and give people like Alexis sticks. If it doesn't make any difference, nobody should complain.
 
Yeah because the NRA shows such respect for human life.

The conservative reversomeme in full display mode.

what idiocy. the NRA supports freedom and freedom respects lives. IT must really bug you to have found out that the killer was a black male who supported obamatardation rather than a tea partier that would have given you massive opportunities to spew MEME over and over and over
 
Then let's ban guns and give people like Alexis sticks. If it doesn't make any difference, nobody should complain.

lets banish gun banners and shoot the criminals they support so we can cut down on violent crime. Gun banners want criminals to operate freely, openly and without danger
 
Then let's ban guns and give people like Alexis sticks. If it doesn't make any difference, nobody should complain.

Yes, lets give second amendment rights to al Qaida and deny them to US citizens!
 
Yes, lets give second amendment rights to al Qaida and deny them to US citizens!

lets treat those who want to ban guns as violent criminals since their desires are to allow violent criminals to operate in a safe environment
 
I've been hearing a few news stories lately about new research which indicates that violent video games do have a link with a higher propensity for violence in real life. Not sure if it's proven, but there does appear to be a correlation.

I dare someone to do the same study on a link between violent rap music and a higher propensity for violence....
 
I dare someone to do the same study on a link between violent rap music and a higher propensity for violence....

how about rap and crack abuse?
 
lets treat those who want to ban guns as violent criminals since their desires are to allow violent criminals to operate in a safe environment

Yes, and law makers that attempt it get Coloradoed.
 
And there are millions who own guns who don't go on a mass shooting spree.

However, there is a common connection to these mass murders, and the murderers who commit them.

The connection is becoming quite obvious and difficult to refute.

It is clear that it is the combination of a few key issues. First issue is the mental health treatment issues in this country. It seems everyone wants the "right" to hide their mental health issues even when these issues may be/are a potential hazard for society. There are certain things that should be privy in order to determine an individual's threat to society.

The other issue is, in a society where mental health issues go virtually ignored, there is easy access to firearms. You can do all the background checks you want, but if mental health issues are rarely reported on/treated, they will never show up on a background check. We have created a "perfect storm" here and seem to be unwilling to solve the problem.

If, perhaps, there were intensive mental health exams required prior to owning a firearm, this may catch some of these issues with mass shootings. However, mass shootings is only the tip of the iceburg when it comes to gun violence in this country. The main culprit is the easy access to firearms. Just the shear number of firearms floating around out there makes it nearly impossible to control who can and cant get ahold of one.
 
It is clear that it is the combination of a few key issues. First issue is the mental health treatment issues in this country. It seems everyone wants the "right" to hide their mental health issues even when these issues may be/are a potential hazard for society. There are certain things that should be privy in order to determine an individual's threat to society.

The other issue is, in a society where mental health issues go virtually ignored, there is easy access to firearms. You can do all the background checks you want, but if mental health issues are rarely reported on/treated, they will never show up on a background check. We have created a "perfect storm" here and seem to be unwilling to solve the problem.

If, perhaps, there were intensive mental health exams required prior to owning a firearm, this may catch some of these issues with mass shootings. However, mass shootings is only the tip of the iceburg when it comes to gun violence in this country. The main culprit is the easy access to firearms. Just the shear number of firearms floating around out there makes it nearly impossible to control who can and cant get ahold of one.

the main culprit was the victim disarmament zone. That area was something you should love-honest people disarmed so criminals can kill lots of people before one of the few armed officers could kill him

every scheme you support is least likely to disarm crazed pre meditated killers and most likely to make his victims unable to defend themselves

which of course is what you want
 
It is clear that it is the combination of a few key issues. First issue is the mental health treatment issues in this country. It seems everyone wants the "right" to hide their mental health issues even when these issues may be/are a potential hazard for society. There are certain things that should be privy in order to determine an individual's threat to society.

The other issue is, in a society where mental health issues go virtually ignored, there is easy access to firearms. You can do all the background checks you want, but if mental health issues are rarely reported on/treated, they will never show up on a background check. We have created a "perfect storm" here and seem to be unwilling to solve the problem.

If, perhaps, there were intensive mental health exams required prior to owning a firearm, this may catch some of these issues with mass shootings. However, mass shootings is only the tip of the iceburg when it comes to gun violence in this country. The main culprit is the easy access to firearms. Just the shear number of firearms floating around out there makes it nearly impossible to control who can and cant get ahold of one.

What if authorites could have acted on all the flags on this guy without fear of racial profiling? That confrontation and crap that follows make authorities overlook obvious violent people when they are minorities.
 
the main culprit was the victim disarmament zone. That area was something you should love-honest people disarmed so criminals can kill lots of people before one of the few armed officers could kill him

every scheme you support is least likely to disarm crazed pre meditated killers and most likely to make his victims unable to defend themselves

which of course is what you want

What would happen if absolutely no weapons were to be available?
 
What would happen if absolutely no weapons were to be available?

The argument that making guns more difficult to acquire disarms legal owners is a circular argument. An argument the gun lobby banks on in order to push more guns out of the factory door. Many people who use this argument completely ignore the fact that guns used by those who are breaking the law purchased the guns from people who purchased them legally. The more guns that are sold, the more guns there will be out there that make it into criminal hands. Which increases gun violence, which in turn scares people to the gun shops to buy guns. Its circular....

Almost every country has issues with mental health treatment. China is one of them. People in china go on knife attack rampages all the time. But generally, they are able to kill at most 1 person, or just injure several people. That is because guns are not widely available in China. If guns were widely avilable in China you would see the same individuals going around cutting people up, shooting people like they are here in the U.S.
 
I think the people trying to blame this on video games (and there are many) are ludicrous.

Long before video games existed, children were playing cops and robbers, or cowboys and indians. Was this priming young minds to become mass murderers? Of course not.

In almost EVERY case of mass shooting in modern history it has been determined that the shooter was seeing a psychologist and/or had a history of mental illness.

Why is it people immediately jump to "its the guns" or " violent video games!" "rap music"

A rational person knows that just because something can be done in a game does make it acceptable to do outside the game.
 
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