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    Re: Aaron Alexis: Washington navy yard gunman obsessed with violent video games.

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    It's just as likely barring any additional information. In a correlation there's only a couple of possibilities, A causes B, B causes A, B and A have a common cause but do not cause each other, or it's coincidental.

    The idea that violent video games leads to violent tendencies would have to have an explanation of why you see such a low violent crime rate among younger individuals at the same time that games like Call of Duty sell more copies are more popular than they've ever been.

    You'd also have to explain why the games are popular in all Western countries yet the US is the only country experiencing this number of mass shootings.

    You're kind of left with either violent individuals gravitate towards violent games, it's coincidental, or there's a 3rd cause...like all the shooters were young and all young folk play violent video games.
    If violent people tend to be attracted to violent games, shouldn't we limit the violent games, since there is a growing correlation?

    Isn't this the same argument used by those calling for limiting guns?

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    Re: Aaron Alexis: Washington navy yard gunman obsessed with violent video games.

    It's the perfect storm of multiple problems. As pointed out, millions of people play violent games and do not turn violent. Millions of people own guns or have access to purchase guns but do not go on a shooting spree. Millions of people live with mental / behavioral issues and also do not become violent.

    The issue to me is mental health and how it is vastly lagging behind physical health. People who are or have had incidents of mental health issues in the past need to be assessed psychologically. For example, if a person is already a manic depressive who functions with prescription drugs - who wants to go out and buy an AR-15 and violent video games, would that be a good idea? Shouldn't the psychologist flag this person as "no guns, no violent video games" which would make it more difficult for that person to legally purchase and use both guns and violent games? I'm starting to think the database needed for certain individuals should, for the sake of their own health and the safety of others around them, limit their access to both guns and these games. The issue really is, the mental health system in America is crap and would need to be strengthened possibly by new laws that are passed which puts temporary / permanent restrictions on those with certain types of mental illness so this perfect storm does not easily exist.
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    Re: Aaron Alexis: Washington navy yard gunman obsessed with violent video games.

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    If violent people tend to be attracted to violent games, shouldn't we limit the violent games, since there is a growing correlation?
    I'm not sure why. If there was no violent video games they would play out their sicko fantasies in other ways including just fantasizing about the acts in their head. Unless video games are causing people to act violently I'm not sure how you would make the case for limiting them.

    Isn't this the same argument used by those calling for limiting guns?
    I'm not sure how.

    In one case you're pointing as something that causes an event in the other it's the means with which an event is carried out. No one claims law abiding Joe Schmo because homicidal mass shooter because he owns a gun. They claim that homicidal potential mass shooter has no problems getting guns/bullet proof vests/smoke canisters or whatever he needs to live out his murder fantasy.
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    Re: Aaron Alexis: Washington navy yard gunman obsessed with violent video games.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ockham View Post
    It's the perfect storm of multiple problems. As pointed out, millions of people play violent games and do not turn violent. Millions of people own guns or have access to purchase guns but do not go on a shooting spree. Millions of people live with mental / behavioral issues and also do not become violent.

    The issue to me is mental health and how it is vastly lagging behind physical health. People who are or have had incidents of mental health issues in the past need to be assessed psychologically. For example, if a person is already a manic depressive who functions with prescription drugs - who wants to go out and buy an AR-15 and violent video games, would that be a good idea? Shouldn't the psychologist flag this person as "no guns, no violent video games" which would make it more difficult for that person to legally purchase and use both guns and violent games? I'm starting to think the database needed for certain individuals should, for the sake of their own health and the safety of others around them, limit their access to both guns and these games. The issue really is, the mental health system in America is crap and would need to be strengthened possibly by new laws that are passed which puts temporary / permanent restrictions on those with certain types of mental illness so this perfect storm does not easily exist.
    Basically agree that this is the point that some are trying to make here.

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    Re: Aaron Alexis: Washington navy yard gunman obsessed with violent video games.

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    It's just as likely barring any additional information. In a correlation there's only a couple of possibilities, A causes B, B causes A, B and A have a common cause but do not cause each other, or it's coincidental.

    The idea that violent video games leads to violent tendencies would have to have an explanation of why you see such a low violent crime rate among younger individuals at the same time that games like Call of Duty sell more copies are more popular than they've ever been.

    You'd also have to explain why the games are popular in all Western countries yet the US is the only country experiencing this number of mass shootings.

    You're kind of left with either violent individuals gravitate towards violent games, it's coincidental, or there's a 3rd cause...like all the shooters were young and all young folk play violent video games.
    Im referring to the mentally ill and violent video games and the blurred line between the video game fantasy and reality in their minds . A sane person can separate the two but we are not talking about the sane are we. the last 4 mass shooter all had mental problems

    I want to use training of military in law enforcement units as an example they repeatedly use training like video games so they react to a violent situation on impulse so not to waste time and think because you don't have time to think it is fire or be killed they do it over and over again so it becomes impulse

    Im not saying violent video games making the mentally ill violent they all ready probably have violent tendencies. Im talking about them blurring the fantasy of the video game and reality. im talking about the video game making them jaded, numb to the violence and it is no different in their mind killing some one in a video game and doing so in real life
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    Re: Aaron Alexis: Washington navy yard gunman obsessed with violent video games.

    Quote Originally Posted by sookster View Post
    I also think people do not understand the lack of information and biasm that scientist have with regards to psychotropic medicines. What I am interested in finding out is whether or not the perpetrators of these crimes are taking psychotropic medicines. There is some evidence that suggests that these medications actually induce the conditions they are trying to treat. I am wondering if they may have an influence on mentally ill people becoming violent. These medications are serious business; they change the actual brain chemistry and a lot of finding the right cocktail of these medications is educated trial and error.

    I think violent video games is similar to the gun phenomenon. The majority of players do not do any violent acts. However there is a few percentage that might be affected by the constant violence in these games. Should there be regulations put into place on these games? Whether or not it is right or wrong is besides the point, because the video game industry is more lucrative than even the movie industry. It brings good revenue for the government and is a good stimulant to the economy. Financial reasons always out weigh any action for anything else in this country. Therefore I do not think anything is going to be done in regards to violent video games.
    Good point. In fact the content of video games and movies were considered as possible contributing causes after Sandy Hook. The concerns were summarily dismissed after Hollywood and the video game industry held up their first amendment rights. So it appears all amendments are not treated the same considering the 2nd and 4th are under near constant attack. What I find interesting is that NSA apparently has no information to contribute and the FBI seems to be scratching their heads as well. Welcome to the new shooter paradigm, an otherwise peaceful guy who for some reason has had enough (of what I don't know) and snaps. I've heard some interesting speculation including the video game angle, a minor charge for disorderly conduct 5 years ago, PTSD, even heard that he had been seen in his home town open carrying. It's Texas, it's legal there and not at all unusual, but if it scares the puppies why not use it.

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    Re: Aaron Alexis: Washington navy yard gunman obsessed with violent video games.

    The most outrageous part of this story is the man's atrocious taste in video games.
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    Re: Aaron Alexis: Washington navy yard gunman obsessed with violent video games.

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    Im referring to the mentally ill and violent video games and the blurred line between the video game fantasy and reality in their minds . A sane person can separate the two but we are not talking about the sane are we. the last 4 mass shooter all had mental problems
    Generally individuals with mental problems that carry out insane acts of violence be it mass shootings or a serial killer act out the fantasies in their heads well before they carry out the act. It's seems to be a reach to claim that someone completely gets lost in a video game and starts to act it out because of some reality/fantasy blur. I'm sure if the guy was still alive like almost every serial killer caught he would talk about fantasies he had as a child that involved killing people.

    Mass shooters generally die at the end of their shooting spree's but every serial killer we've caught mentions fantasies in their head since an early age that involved the killing of people.

    I want to use training of military in law enforcement units as an example they repeatedly use training like video games so they react to a violent situation on impulse so not to waste time and think because you don't have time to think it is fire or be killed they do it over and over again so it becomes impulse
    Impulse and muscle memory are different than a planned mass murder. Sure, if train yourself to fire on someone that lifts a gun you'll get quicker and react faster but it's different than a blur between fantasy and reality.
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    Re: Aaron Alexis: Washington navy yard gunman obsessed with violent video games.

    Interesting that this is not being looked at as terrorism. I think the term has become PC and led to suggest religious affiliation. But the fact is a baseball game was postponed, Congress went in to lockdown, any way about it these moves were made because people were terrified. Call it what it is and then try to figure out why it happened. Perhaps someone made a YouTube video he didn't like.

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    Re: Aaron Alexis: Washington navy yard gunman obsessed with violent video games.

    Quote Originally Posted by tech30528 View Post
    Interesting that this is not being looked at as terrorism. I think the term has become PC and led to suggest religious affiliation. But the fact is a baseball game was postponed, Congress went in to lockdown, any way about it these moves were made because people were terrified. Call it what it is and then try to figure out why it happened. Perhaps someone made a YouTube video he didn't like.
    That's not the term becoming PC. That's the opposite of the term becoming PC. "Terrorism" has been turned into "being violent while Muslim."
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