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    Re: Aaron Alexis: Washington navy yard gunman obsessed with violent video games.

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    Who are you to say that the video game wasn't just a way to act out his murder spree fantasies? Are you saying that if violent video games were banned tomorrow we'd see a drop in homicidal rampages in the US? That regular law abiding citizens pick up the new edition of Call of Duty and are turned into someone that will go on a shooting spree?
    my point was the mentally ill I know you feel a need to wrongfully include the sane in your point to validate that point. The sane knows the difference with the fantasy of the violent video games in reality I'm talking about the insane. what did the last 4 mass shooters all had in common?

    also I find it hilarious that the left use the same arguments about violent video games that they dismiss when used against gun control

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    Re: Aaron Alexis: Washington navy yard gunman obsessed with violent video games.

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    If you banned violent video games tomorrow the future mass shooters would gravitate towards something else that would meet their needs to act out their fantasies.

    That's still missing the point. I've yet to see anyone suggesting banning anything. Not everyone that watches porn becomes sexual predictors, not everybody that uses alcohol becomes violent, etc. but this connection shouldn't be dismissed.

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    Re: Aaron Alexis: Washington navy yard gunman obsessed with violent video games.

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    Well, I'd think it meshes when it's reported that many of the shooters have had fixations on violent video games. The correlation to juvenile crime rates is what doesn't mesh.
    I'm not sure how re-writing what I wrote is a response to what I wrote.
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    Re: Aaron Alexis: Washington navy yard gunman obsessed with violent video games.

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    I've been hearing a few news stories lately about new research which indicates that violent video games do have a link with a higher propensity for violence in real life. Not sure if it's proven, but there does appear to be a correlation.
    What they don't seem to rule out is if the video game connection is coincidental in allready violence-prone individuals. In the 80s it was Ozzy and Judas Priest blamed for the violence. Since today's "rock" is so wimpy, video games are filling the void?
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    Re: Aaron Alexis: Washington navy yard gunman obsessed with violent video games.

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    That's still missing the point. I've yet to see anyone suggesting banning anything. Not everyone that watches porn becomes sexual predictors, not everybody that uses alcohol becomes violent, etc. but this connection shouldn't be dismissed.
    I'm just throwing out the extreme example of a complete ban. Do you think it would make any difference? That these individuals were just one Call of Duty marathon from being normal acting human beings that don't go on shooting rampages?

    There is a connection...but it seems like the connection is more about fantasy before acting...which is a pretty common theme for psychopaths that commit mass murder or become serial killers.
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    Re: Aaron Alexis: Washington navy yard gunman obsessed with violent video games.

    Quote Originally Posted by trfjr View Post
    my point was the mentally ill I know you feel a need to wrongfully include the sane in your point to validate that point. The sane knows the difference with the fantasy of the violent video games in reality I'm talking about the insane. what did the last 4 mass shooters all had in common?

    also I find it hilarious that the left use the same arguments about violent video games that they dismiss when used against gun control
    The are two completely different things. People are claiming that video games motivates individuals to commit mass shootings. No one ever has claimed that guns are a motivator they are just a tool.
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    Re: Aaron Alexis: Washington navy yard gunman obsessed with violent video games.

    Quote Originally Posted by iliveonramen View Post
    I'm not sure how re-writing what I wrote is a response to what I wrote.
    I didn't re-write what you wrote.

    You suggested the correlation could be explained by assuming violent people gravitate to violent games, and it's not the games that create violent people.

    Why would that make any difference? The fact is there is growing evidence of a correlation between these shooters, and violent video games.

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    Re: Aaron Alexis: Washington navy yard gunman obsessed with violent video games.

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I've yet to see anyone suggesting banning anything.
    Not yet, but this is the same type of comparison that was done with that netherlands (I think Netherlands) shooter and some people did call for banning of violent video games.

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    Re: Aaron Alexis: Washington navy yard gunman obsessed with violent video games.

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    What they don't seem to rule out is if the video game connection is coincidental in allready violence-prone individuals. In the 80s it was Ozzy and Judas Priest blamed for the violence. Since today's "rock" is so wimpy, video games are filling the void?

    they may be, but the difference (and I personally think it's significant), is the sensory input of games vs music. With games you have visual and auditory input, which I suspect is more influential.
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    Re: Aaron Alexis: Washington navy yard gunman obsessed with violent video games.

    Quote Originally Posted by ocean515 View Post
    I didn't re-write what you wrote.

    You suggested the correlation could be explained by assuming violent people gravitate to violent games, and it's not the games that create violent people.
    It's just as likely barring any additional information. In a correlation there's only a couple of possibilities, A causes B, B causes A, B and A have a common cause but do not cause each other, or it's coincidental.

    The idea that violent video games leads to violent tendencies would have to have an explanation of why you see such a low violent crime rate among younger individuals at the same time that games like Call of Duty sell more copies are more popular than they've ever been.

    You'd also have to explain why the games are popular in all Western countries yet the US is the only country experiencing this number of mass shootings.

    You're kind of left with either violent individuals gravitate towards violent games, it's coincidental, or there's a 3rd cause...like all the shooters were young and all young folk play violent video games.
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