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Matthew Shepard Murdered By Bisexual Lover And Drug Dealer, Stephen Jimenez Claims In

Re: Matthew Shepard Murdered By Bisexual Lover And Drug Dealer, Stephen Jimenez Claim

Why was it hard to believe? That kind of homophobic attack is far from uncommon and, for some reason, appears to evoke the most violent and visceral of assaults. Here's just one more homophobic attack that became a homophobic murder.

Murder of Jody Dobrowski - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

While this new theory might be interesting, it certainly does not stop Matthew Shepard's murder from being a homophobic event. Homophobia is about the reason, and the sexuality of the victim. A screwed-up, self-denying bisexual is every bit as likely to commit acts of homophobic violence as a screwed-up, fag-hating straight guy. In fact, I'd suggest that a lot of the psychological impetus for most, if not all, homophobic attacks lies in the suppressed, latent homosexual desires of the attacker. Since I don't believe very many people at all are 100% straight or 100% gay in orientation, this new theory seems to change the essential nature of the event not one bit.

Quite true

I used to know someone who would go out at night and beat up gays, Indians (natives) and drunks for fun.

Eventually he and another person I went to school with were convicted of murdering an Indian (for fun) stabbing him, throwing him off a bridge and eventually running him over.
 
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The comments all get to be rather silly. IF the book is correct (a book researched and written by a man that happens to BE gay) then the narrative of the ACTUAL incident went from "man brutally murdered by his occasional lover over a drug related incident" to "gay victim brutally murdered by homophobic heterosexuals...lets build a monument and champion this cause!" And the responses here? 1-author must be lying and/or 2-so what if it was all a lie used to create a cause...it still happens to other homosexuals.

So what if it was all a lie.

And in case you miss just how inane that sounds...

So what if it was all a lie.

He's still dead, and others have still been killed by homophobic killers. Not sure why the need for it not to be true, but the what if doesn't really change anything of consequence.
 
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He's still dead, and others have still been killed by homophobic killers. Not sure why the need for it not to be true, but the what if doesn't really change anything of consequence.

Yeah but not in this case just a love quarrel gone bad.
 
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Gay special rights groups? You seem to be suffering from the delusion that equality is a special right. However, if there were special rights like gays get to kill people or steal without punishment I am pretty sure a large number of gays would oppose them.


Yeah, you were the one who put special in there and showed you are playing a dumb game of pretending discrimination and harassment are a right you have.


Sorry dude, you have put your own words in your mouth here and shown yourse4lf to be an opponent of equality and a lover of religious law.

Posts such as the one you just made is clear evidence as to why I don't believe a word from any supporter of gay special rights.
 
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Posts such as the one you just made is clear evidence as to why I don't believe a word from any supporter of gay special rights.

Tere's correct, there's no such things as 'gay special rights', that's just something your conscious mind has come up with as a result of your unconscious homophobia. If you could define a 'special right', i.e. one that LGBT people enjoy that others don't, then your invented insult is just hot air.
 
Re: Matthew Shepard Murdered By Bisexual Lover And Drug Dealer, Stephen Jimenez C...

The comments all get to be rather silly. IF the book is correct (a book researched and written by a man that happens to BE gay) then the narrative of the ACTUAL incident went from "man brutally murdered by his occasional lover over a drug related incident" to "gay victim brutally murdered by homophobic heterosexuals...lets build a monument and champion this cause!" And the responses here? 1-author must be lying and/or 2-so what if it was all a lie used to create a cause...it still happens to other homosexuals.

So what if it was all a lie.

And in case you miss just how inane that sounds...

So what if it was all a lie.

It was that years George Zimmerman case.
 
Re: Matthew Shepard Murdered By Bisexual Lover And Drug Dealer, Stephen Jimenez Claim

Quite true

I used to know someone who would go out at night and beat up gays, Indians (natives) and drunks for fun.

Eventually he and another person I went to school with were convicted of murdering an Indian (for fun) stabbing him, throwing him off a bridge and eventually running him over.

Why didn't you report this crazy???
 
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Why didn't you report this crazy???

He had been arrested I believe, and I never saw the actual incidents. Just heard about them afterwards. I did not see hum for two years when I heard about the killing. When I knew him it was when we were in high school

Ages 17-18. The killing happened when I believe he was 20
 
Re: Matthew Shepard Murdered By Bisexual Lover And Drug Dealer, Stephen Jimenez Claim

He had been arrested I believe, and I never saw the actual incidents. Just heard about them afterwards. I did not see hum for two years when I heard about the killing. When I knew him it was when we were in high school

Ages 17-18. The killing happened when I believe he was 20

Then it follows the pattern of Nidal Hasan and Aaron Alexis where no one does anything until it is too late.
 
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Posts such as the one you just made is clear evidence as to why I don't believe a word from any supporter of gay special rights.

The idea of gay special rights is just code for you are a prejudiced homophobe who want to deny them equality out of spite and malice.
 
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Tere's correct, there's no such things as 'gay special rights', that's just something your conscious mind has come up with as a result of your unconscious homophobia. If you could define a 'special right', i.e. one that LGBT people enjoy that others don't, then your invented insult is just hot air.

Lot of "hot air" in your post.

A group that practices or pushes for identity politics is seeking "special rights". Your conscious mind is in a state of denial pertaining to "special rights" probably due to the homosexual agenda you accept or maybe even push on people.
 
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The idea of gay special rights is just code for you are a prejudiced homophobe who want to deny them equality out of spite and malice.

I sense a lot of hatred and bigotry in your post. But then many people that practice identity politics have convinced themselves that's ok. So your hatred comes as no surprise.
 
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I sense a lot of hatred and bigotry in your post. But then many people that practice identity politics have convinced themselves that's ok. So your hatred comes as no surprise.


projection baby.
 
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Lot of "hot air" in your post.

A group that practices or pushes for identity politics is seeking "special rights". Your conscious mind is in a state of denial pertaining to "special rights" probably due to the homosexual agenda you accept or maybe even push on people.


Inregards to gay marriage the one's with the "special right" are us heterosexuals
 
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Yeah but not in this case just a love quarrel gone bad.

You think. And demand very little in terms of evidence. You want it to be true, so for you it is. :coffeepap
 
Re: Matthew Shepard Murdered By Bisexual Lover And Drug Dealer, Stephen Jimenez Claim

Hate crimes do happen, and this was just one of them. Why it got the attention it did probably had to do with the brutality of it as well as the victim's age. Unless people are killed for being hetero at anywhere near the same rate, i don't know why anyone is coming here thrilled with the *claim* that Matthew Shepherd was killed for a reason other than his sexuality. Homophobia did not simply vanish after this murder either. 15 years later Wyoming is still by and large a ghetto bigot haven, so you can drop the gloating and right wing persecution complex.
 
Re: Matthew Shepard Murdered By Bisexual Lover And Drug Dealer, Stephen Jimenez Claim

Hate crimes do happen, and this was just one of them. Why it got the attention it did probably had to do with the brutality of it as well as the victim's age. Unless people are killed for being hetero at anywhere near the same rate, i don't know why anyone is coming here thrilled with the *claim* that Matthew Shepherd was killed for a reason other than his sexuality. Homophobia did not simply vanish after this murder either. 15 years later Wyoming is still by and large a ghetto bigot haven, so you can drop the gloating and right wing persecution complex.
Except if the research for the book is correct, he wasnt killed by a right wing bigot, he was killed by his part time homosexual booty call. Oh...and all the outrage, parades, calls for legislation...you think that would have went over had the headlines been about two meth users, both gay, and one killed the other either in a drug fueled rage or as postulated, over drug sales turf wars? Nah...probably not.

So what if it was all a lie....
 
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I find it really disgusting that the conservative media are attempting to re-frame this story with their spindoctoring, so many years after the facts were already established.

There's always going to be someone who "comes forward" to tell another side of the story, a.k.a make some money off 15 seconds of fame. People have been doing it for years about Princess Di's death too. Every bitch has his price.

The social conservative, right-wing media have a bad habit of trying to identify who or what they perceive are the major icons or figures of a movement (in this case, the gay rights movement), and then try to horrifically and inaccurately debunk them. Because, you know, it's really important to people that the causes behind gay rights activism get debunked, in order to reveal those silly homos as being the paranoid pink ribbon movement that they are.

Their endless polemic beefs with political figures and the scapegoating that accompanies it are just trite, mundane, and frankly tiring. Our country does not need this kind of divisive propaganda right now.
 
Re: Matthew Shepard Murdered By Bisexual Lover And Drug Dealer, Stephen Jimenez Claim

I find it really disgusting that the conservative media are attempting to re-frame this story with their spindoctoring, so many years after the facts were already established.

There's always going to be someone who "comes forward" to tell another side of the story, a.k.a make some money off 15 seconds of fame. People have been doing it for years about Princess Di's death too. Every bitch has his price.

The social conservative, right-wing media have a bad habit of trying to identify who or what they perceive are the major icons or figures of a movement (in this case, the gay rights movement), and then try to horrifically and inaccurately debunk them. Because, you know, it's really important to people that the causes behind gay rights activism get debunked, in order to reveal those silly homos as being the paranoid pink ribbon movement that they are.

Their endless polemic beefs with political figures and the scapegoating that accompanies it are just trite, mundane, and frankly tiring. Our country does not need this kind of divisive propaganda right now.

LOL. The Advocate is conservative media? LOL.

The spin from liberals never ends. LOL.
 
Re: Matthew Shepard Murdered By Bisexual Lover And Drug Dealer, Stephen Jimenez Claim

Hate crimes do happen, and this was just one of them. Why it got the attention it did probably had to do with the brutality of it as well as the victim's age. Unless people are killed for being hetero at anywhere near the same rate, i don't know why anyone is coming here thrilled with the *claim* that Matthew Shepherd was killed for a reason other than his sexuality. Homophobia did not simply vanish after this murder either. 15 years later Wyoming is still by and large a ghetto bigot haven, so you can drop the gloating and right wing persecution complex.

In this case it would appear to be a left wing Gay bigot who was responsible for the murder.
 
Re: Matthew Shepard Murdered By Bisexual Lover And Drug Dealer, Stephen Jimenez Claim

Their endless polemic beefs with political figures and the scapegoating that accompanies it are just trite, mundane, and frankly tiring. Our country does not need this kind of divisive propaganda right now.

But the country needed that kind of divisive propaganda then?
 
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He's still dead, and others have still been killed by homophobic killers. Not sure why the need for it not to be true, but the what if doesn't really change anything of consequence.

:doh: Are you serious? It's built on a lie. But go on thinking that the ends always justify the means, I am sure that will serve you well Joe.
 
Re: Matthew Shepard Murdered By Bisexual Lover And Drug Dealer, Stephen Jimenez Claim

I find it really disgusting that the conservative media are attempting to re-frame this story with their spindoctoring, so many years after the facts were already established.

There's always going to be someone who "comes forward" to tell another side of the story, a.k.a make some money off 15 seconds of fame. People have been doing it for years about Princess Di's death too. Every bitch has his price.

The social conservative, right-wing media have a bad habit of trying to identify who or what they perceive are the major icons or figures of a movement (in this case, the gay rights movement), and then try to horrifically and inaccurately debunk them. Because, you know, it's really important to people that the causes behind gay rights activism get debunked, in order to reveal those silly homos as being the paranoid pink ribbon movement that they are.

Their endless polemic beefs with political figures and the scapegoating that accompanies it are just trite, mundane, and frankly tiring. Our country does not need this kind of divisive propaganda right now.

Do you not see how totally 'on its head' this rant from you is? You are actually in the position of defending a lie, by calling those taking a look at the truth of the matter 'liars'..... What kind of twisted logic is this that progressives use...It truly is "Blotto World"
 
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:doh: Are you serious? It's built on a lie. But go on thinking that the ends always justify the means, I am sure that will serve you well Joe.

You know this because someone said it was? Evaluate why you're so willing to believe it.

But also address the rest of my quote. Comprehend what is being said. One person isn't the entire problem.
 
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