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    Re: Matthew Shepard Murdered By Bisexual Lover And Drug Dealer, Stephen Jimenez Claim

    Quote Originally Posted by ItAin'tFree View Post
    LOL. You don't really think that every gay person supports the gay special rights groups do you?
    Gay special rights groups? You seem to be suffering from the delusion that equality is a special right. However, if there were special rights like gays get to kill people or steal without punishment I am pretty sure a large number of gays would oppose them.
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    Really weak attempt at putting words in my mouth. Try harder next time.
    Yeah, you were the one who put special in there and showed you are playing a dumb game of pretending discrimination and harassment are a right you have.
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    However, those that support gay special rights groups, I don't believe anything they say. Either the people speaking for such groups or their useful idiots that just lap up anything and everything they say. They already admit they don't mind telling lies so why would any serious person believe them? Are you really going to vouch for the integrity of self admitted liars?
    Sorry dude, you have put your own words in your mouth here and shown yourse4lf to be an opponent of equality and a lover of religious law.

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    Re: Matthew Shepard Murdered By Bisexual Lover And Drug Dealer, Stephen Jimenez Claim

    I truly believed that there more to this story then the press put out..........Sounds like a lovers quarrel went bad.
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    Matthew Shepard Murdered By Bisexual Lover And Drug Dealer, Stephen Jimenez C...

    The comments all get to be rather silly. IF the book is correct (a book researched and written by a man that happens to BE gay) then the narrative of the ACTUAL incident went from "man brutally murdered by his occasional lover over a drug related incident" to "gay victim brutally murdered by homophobic heterosexuals...lets build a monument and champion this cause!" And the responses here? 1-author must be lying and/or 2-so what if it was all a lie used to create a cause...it still happens to other homosexuals.

    So what if it was all a lie.

    And in case you miss just how inane that sounds...

    So what if it was all a lie.

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    Re: Matthew Shepard Murdered By Bisexual Lover And Drug Dealer, Stephen Jimenez C...

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    The comments all get to be rather silly. IF the book is correct (a book researched and written by a man that happens to BE gay) then the narrative of the ACTUAL incident went from "man brutally murdered by his occasional lover over a drug related incident" to "gay victim brutally murdered by homophobic heterosexuals...lets build a monument and champion this cause!" And the responses here? 1-author must be lying and/or 2-so what if it was all a lie used to create a cause...it still happens to other homosexuals.

    So what if it was all a lie.

    And in case you miss just how inane that sounds...

    So what if it was all a lie.
    #2 is really "closeted bisexual drug dealer murders gay man and tries to get off by playing to the homophobia of the public and jury with a 'gay panic' defense - a defense a gay jurist would not buy"
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    Re: Matthew Shepard Murdered By Bisexual Lover And Drug Dealer, Stephen Jimenez C...

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    #2 is really "closeted bisexual drug dealer murders gay man and tries to get off by playing to the homophobia of the public and jury with a 'gay panic' defense - a defense a gay jurist would not buy"
    OK...STILL not the narrative the nation was sold...but OK...I can see that.

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    Re: Matthew Shepard Murdered By Bisexual Lover And Drug Dealer, Stephen Jimenez Claim

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Why was it hard to believe? That kind of homophobic attack is far from uncommon and, for some reason, appears to evoke the most violent and visceral of assaults. Here's just one more homophobic attack that became a homophobic murder.

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    While this new theory might be interesting, it certainly does not stop Matthew Shepard's murder from being a homophobic event. Homophobia is about the reason, and the sexuality of the victim. A screwed-up, self-denying bisexual is every bit as likely to commit acts of homophobic violence as a screwed-up, fag-hating straight guy. In fact, I'd suggest that a lot of the psychological impetus for most, if not all, homophobic attacks lies in the suppressed, latent homosexual desires of the attacker. Since I don't believe very many people at all are 100% straight or 100% gay in orientation, this new theory seems to change the essential nature of the event not one bit.
    Quite true

    I used to know someone who would go out at night and beat up gays, Indians (natives) and drunks for fun.

    Eventually he and another person I went to school with were convicted of murdering an Indian (for fun) stabbing him, throwing him off a bridge and eventually running him over.
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    Re: Matthew Shepard Murdered By Bisexual Lover And Drug Dealer, Stephen Jimenez C...

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    The comments all get to be rather silly. IF the book is correct (a book researched and written by a man that happens to BE gay) then the narrative of the ACTUAL incident went from "man brutally murdered by his occasional lover over a drug related incident" to "gay victim brutally murdered by homophobic heterosexuals...lets build a monument and champion this cause!" And the responses here? 1-author must be lying and/or 2-so what if it was all a lie used to create a cause...it still happens to other homosexuals.

    So what if it was all a lie.

    And in case you miss just how inane that sounds...

    So what if it was all a lie.
    He's still dead, and others have still been killed by homophobic killers. Not sure why the need for it not to be true, but the what if doesn't really change anything of consequence.

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    Re: Matthew Shepard Murdered By Bisexual Lover And Drug Dealer, Stephen Jimenez C...

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    He's still dead, and others have still been killed by homophobic killers. Not sure why the need for it not to be true, but the what if doesn't really change anything of consequence.
    Yeah but not in this case just a love quarrel gone bad.
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    Re: Matthew Shepard Murdered By Bisexual Lover And Drug Dealer, Stephen Jimenez C...

    It doesn't matter if the author is gay or not. He still has an agenda to push, and apparently it was clear before he ever started researching the book.

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    Re: Matthew Shepard Murdered By Bisexual Lover And Drug Dealer, Stephen Jimenez Claim

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    Gay special rights groups? You seem to be suffering from the delusion that equality is a special right. However, if there were special rights like gays get to kill people or steal without punishment I am pretty sure a large number of gays would oppose them.


    Yeah, you were the one who put special in there and showed you are playing a dumb game of pretending discrimination and harassment are a right you have.


    Sorry dude, you have put your own words in your mouth here and shown yourse4lf to be an opponent of equality and a lover of religious law.
    Posts such as the one you just made is clear evidence as to why I don't believe a word from any supporter of gay special rights.
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