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    Re: Matthew Shepard Murdered By Bisexual Lover And Drug Dealer, Stephen Jimenez Claim

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    A young man was beat to death, and your largest concern is what you consider a meme? You're even disrespectful of this poor young man?

    Look, I'm all for the truth, even if it it goes against me. But let's have some standards for accepting stories and let's not be disrespectful of dead folks. I've said that even for conservatives I've seriously disagreed with.

    Disrespect for the dead??

    No, it's a disrespect for the truth that is being discussed here.

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    Re: Matthew Shepard Murdered By Bisexual Lover And Drug Dealer, Stephen Jimenez Claim

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    What matters isn't the media, it's how many times Democrats or Republicans do it. Don't fool yourself into thinking that Repubs don't.
    Yes, yes, they all do it. We know, we really, really know. Now, back to the topic?

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    Re: Matthew Shepard Murdered By Bisexual Lover And Drug Dealer, Stephen Jimenez Claim

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Because his actions were motivated by a hatred of homosexuality

    The police and the perp all say it was motivated by homophobia. So does the Advocate

    And all other drug related murders are a result of hatred of heterosexuality.

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    Re: Matthew Shepard Murdered By Bisexual Lover And Drug Dealer, Stephen Jimenez Claim

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    No, I am not, this is a 15 year old crime, and I think it is deplorable that anyone die like that, and the persons responsible deserve the death penalty for what they did. But it wasn't a "hate crime"... We are discussing the narrative here, and how it was created on a lie. If that is too much for you, to discuss the agenda born out of this horrible crime, then all I can say is too bad.
    Whether it was a hate crime or not is debatable. As I told you back during WS days, killing someone is crime enough and don't support any special designation. Still, they did kill that young man. The rest is largely irrelevant.

    And the Sarcasm of Saint Matthew was disrespectful. Sorry.


    Not from what I see.
    Well, your view is often obscured.

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    Re: Matthew Shepard Murdered By Bisexual Lover And Drug Dealer, Stephen Jimenez Claim

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Disrespect for the dead??

    No, it's a disrespect for the truth that is being discussed here.
    Hardly. Otherwise it would focus on facts and not questionable sources and sarcasm (Saint Matthew).

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    Re: Matthew Shepard Murdered By Bisexual Lover And Drug Dealer, Stephen Jimenez Claim

    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Fascinating. I have always thought it a little hard to believe the narrative we were being fed about the case. I just found it hard to believe that people care enough about an individual's sexuality to do this for no other reason.
    Why was it hard to believe? That kind of homophobic attack is far from uncommon and, for some reason, appears to evoke the most violent and visceral of assaults. Here's just one more homophobic attack that became a homophobic murder.

    Murder of Jody Dobrowski - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    While this new theory might be interesting, it certainly does not stop Matthew Shepard's murder from being a homophobic event. Homophobia is about the reason, and the sexuality of the victim. A screwed-up, self-denying bisexual is every bit as likely to commit acts of homophobic violence as a screwed-up, fag-hating straight guy. In fact, I'd suggest that a lot of the psychological impetus for most, if not all, homophobic attacks lies in the suppressed, latent homosexual desires of the attacker. Since I don't believe very many people at all are 100% straight or 100% gay in orientation, this new theory seems to change the essential nature of the event not one bit.
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    Re: Matthew Shepard Murdered By Bisexual Lover And Drug Dealer, Stephen Jimenez Claim

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Hardly. Otherwise it would focus on facts and not questionable sources and sarcasm (Saint Matthew).
    Questionable sources? Why not concern yourself with the facts instead?

    St. Mathew is hardly an exaggeration after all the publicity about him, It certainly is no big deal. You're just being terribly oversensitive/

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    Re: Matthew Shepard Murdered By Bisexual Lover And Drug Dealer, Stephen Jimenez Claim

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    And all other drug related murders are a result of hatred of heterosexuality.
    Can you explain the "gay panic" defense used in court?
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Matthew Shepard Murdered By Bisexual Lover And Drug Dealer, Stephen Jimenez Claim

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Why was it hard to believe? That kind of homophobic attack is far from uncommon and, for some reason, appears to evoke the most violent and visceral of assaults. Here's just one more homophobic attack that became a homophobic murder.
    Actually its uncommonality is what made the story so newsworthy.

    While this new theory might be interesting, it certainly does not stop Matthew Shepard's murder from being a homophobic event. Homophobia is about the reason, and the sexuality of the victim. A screwed-up, self-denying bisexual is every bit as likely to commit acts of homophobic violence as a screwed-up, fag-hating straight guy. In fact, I'd suggest that a lot of the psychological impetus for most, if not all, homophobic attacks lies in the suppressed, latent homosexual desires of the attacker. Since I don't believe very many people at all are 100% straight or 100% gay in orientation, this new theory seems to change the essential nature of the event not one bit.
    It seems your personally held beliefs have little to do with this murder. Anyone can commit a murder and the reasons are as varied as the people involved.

    I'm in full support of Gay Rights but don't have to be lied to in order to maintain that support.

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    Re: Matthew Shepard Murdered By Bisexual Lover And Drug Dealer, Stephen Jimenez Claim

    There is a truth that whether or not this case was a lie, the fundamentalist religious forces of the christian right have made systematic efforts to harm the gay community out of spite and malice. One case of discrimination being wrong does not make the rest of them wrong. If the whole idea that this was a anti-gay attack is wrong, the people behind bars still seemed to have killed the kid. So i am not terribly bothered by them being in jail over some drug violence which could have been avoided if we did not have crazy drug laws fueling violence. There is one thing for sure, the people whining about a false narrative will now seize upon this opportunity to make another false narrative of their own that gay rights issues are invalid because of this. Two wrong do make a right wing right.

    If this book does happen to be correct which seems based on anonymous reporting and accounts that might be manufactured by people who see the murderers as heroes, then it is just a reason to seek out the truth rather than simply trying to manufacture something to promote your goals. The truth is out there about anti-gay violence, the destruction of gay people's lives through prejudicial policies on hiring and living, and the spiteful denial of happiness and benefits to gay couples through banning of gay marriage. If they made stuff up they did not have to do that as there are many instances of these things going on. It really makes no difference about the greater issue if this is true or not, but the republicans are about to have a field day with this and use it to go up against the rising acceptance of gays. I am hoping it is a bit to little and a bit too late for all of that. When the wave of right wing propaganda hits it may backfire on them and show more people the sort of petty and hateful people they are. People are not accepting gays because of matthew shephard. They are accepting them because they have met them and are recognizing most of them are good people just trying to live their lives and be happy. The right wing had better be careful on how they handle this because the righteous heavy handed bible thumping methods they love to employ may only hurt them.

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