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Texas' Refusal To Allow Gay Couples To Divorce May Be The Next Constitutional Showdow

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i dont think he understands what he is actually saying, i think he knows in his head what he means but what he is saying is factually false.

States rights Oh rah n@@@@@ cant be married in Mississippi
 
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My State politicians are arrogant 'tards that have no to little respect for law abiding citizens out side their dwindling group of myopic views.

2nd response to this post, 2nd lack of substance.
 
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2nd response to this post, 2nd lack of substance.

Regardless of what you think the people in question are stuck in a marriage the federal government recognizes and they can not dissolve.
 
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My State politicians are arrogant 'tards that have no to little respect for law abiding citizens out side their dwindling group of myopic views.

Seems to me that they're listening to their constituents.

Note: In the linked surveys a distinction is made between marriage and civil unions.

Poll numbers show drop in support for same-sex marriage among TX voters

New poll shows highest number of Texans support gay relationships
 
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Maybe they moved there to pursue happiness. Maybe they moved there because of work, or maybe they just like the weather.

so how's that working out for them? Their decision to move and therefore their consequence to accept, this is what federalism is all about. Go to the state that suits you and facilitates your pursuit of happiness. Not use courts in order to change the state to suit you. Otherwise one should work for legislative action that includes the consent of the public at large.
 
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States rights Oh rah n@@@@@ cant be married in Mississippi

exactly its nonsensical to think this is going to last long or that its right.
its the law for now but the wall of discrimination and or bigotry is falling down.
 
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My State politicians are arrogant 'tards that have no to little respect for law abiding citizens out side their dwindling group of myopic views.

its just temporary, nobody honest buys the bs that its "the will of the people" lol
if we followed that when it came to equal rights and riding ourselves of discrimination where would minorities and women be? would interracial marriages still be illegal?

what a joke, this issue is going to fall soon and its awesome for the country.
 
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yep or a million other legit logical reasons to people may decided to move within the united states of america. Anybody acting like they should be banned from the state is asinine.

or maybe they did go there to push the issue (which is much less likely) but even if they did, fighting for equal rights is also a great reason, just like women and minorities etc did before them.

No Texan would want them banned from entering the state, we just ask that people who live here abide by the laws of this state. There is no legal ssm marriage in Texas, and to quote a certain other poster on this forum "thats FACT deal with it".
 
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actually yes even IN texas they are still legally married. Texas does not recognize their marriage to be legal on a state level but they are legally married. Even more so now with the fall of DOMA and the IRS recognizing this also granting tax rights for all those legally married no matter where they reside.

and thats the point of my op, this is the stuff that is going to help achieve equality eventually and end discrimination on this front.

Federal tax rules have no bearing on state law, and the doma ruling confirmed the state prime role in this issue, so your examples have no bearing on this case.
 
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1.)No Texan would want them banned from entering the state
2.) we just ask that people who live here abide by the laws of this state.
3.) There is no legal ssm marriage in Texas,
4.) and to quote a certain other poster on this forum "thats FACT deal with it".

1.) weird you like to just make things up don't you? who said anybody wanted them banned from enterrting the state? it was even slightly suggested
2.) nobody has broken any laws, so again another meaningless point
3.) false, texas doesnt grant those marriages but they exist hence way theres a SSC trial scheduled.
4.) nothing to deal with because what you said was not a fact.
 
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Federal tax rules have no bearing on state law, and the doma ruling confirmed the state prime role in this issue, so your examples have no bearing on this case.

Social Security I bet is going recognize this couple as married unless they get a legal divorce.
 
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I don't like San Antonio or Houston.... or Dallas for that matter.

I like Austin ( not the government, though)... and I like the rural areas outside of Austin even better ( that's where I live)

despite the cries of lots of non-texans, nobody around here seems to give a **** about SSM... except for the hippies in Austin who think it's the most important issue ever to face us.

That's true here in w. Ft. Worth area too.
 
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No Texan would want them banned from entering the state, we just ask that people who live here abide by the laws of this state. There is no legal ssm marriage in Texas, and to quote a certain other poster on this forum "thats FACT deal with it".

This Texan, me, knows marriage is a right.
 
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1.)Federal tax rules have no bearing on state law
2.) and the doma ruling confirmed the state prime role in this issue, so your examples have no bearing on this case.

1.) weird can you quote where i said they did? wow you do like to make stuff up and argue against it. thats called a strawman and it failed.
2.) nope it did not, it didnt even tackle the subject, it left it stale mate for now
3.) actually to the discussion i was having in its context, not only did it have a barring it was factual, but i can see your confusion since you make stuff up, your mistake.
 
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how to say it more clear would be to say it in a accurate way

their marriage IS factual valid IN Texas but Texas doesnt recognize it

do other states still consider them married while in texas? yes
can the file taxes as a married couple while IN taxes? yes

Texas has no state tax, therefore they are filing federal taxes. Texas doesn't have to recognize marriage for the purpose of federal taxes.
 
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That's true here in w. Ft. Worth area too.

I'll tell that to my politically active gay friends over there in cow town.
 
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This Texan, me, knows marriage is a right.

WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT!?!?!?!?!?!?

you mean all "teaxns" arent the same? ;)

so funny reading that BS when people say it
 
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Texas has no state tax, therefore they are filing federal taxes.
2.) Texas doesn't have to recognize marriage for the purpose of federal taxes.

1.) again didnt say the did, some how you convince your self this is relevant, its not.
2.) see #2

do you ever discuss what is actually being said or do you always just make up stuff in your head? how old are you? im guessing 16 max.
 
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Texas has no state tax, therefore they are filing federal taxes. Texas doesn't have to recognize marriage for the purpose of federal taxes.

Hello bright eyes. You are missing the point. The federal government recognizes the marriage. Should they want to get a divorce they should be able to.
 
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WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAT!?!?!?!?!?!?

you mean all "teaxns" arent the same? ;)

so funny reading that BS when people say it

Well we all ride horses! And love bow legged women!
 
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Simply, no divorce is possible for them in Texas as the they are not married in the eyes of Texas law. In fact, they are each free to marry women in Texas without a bigamy charge.

Wouldn't that be a fun SCOTUS case. One of them marries a woman in Texas and Mass charges him with bigamy. But in reality the cowardly court wouldn't touch that one with a ten foot pole.

Full faith and credit shall be given in each state to the public acts, records, and judicial proceedings of every other state. And the Congress may by general laws prescribe the manner in which such acts, records, and proceedings shall be proved, and the effect thereof.
 
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Well we all ride horses! And love bow legged women!

wait, you ride horses and love bow legged women?

****, i love horse and love bow legged women?

i must be a texan?!?!?!?!

pow pow. yeeeeeeeeee-haaaaaaaaaaaaaa
 
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and just a supplement to the op

this looks like it has the potential to be a two birds with one stone issue

not only will this very likely end the bigoted and discrimination laws in taxes over legal amrriage but it has the potential to equally regulate marriage nationally letting people marry and divorce anywhere in the US.

also just some other info

Texas law requires that one of the divorcing parties must have resided in Texas for at least the previous 6 months.

There are 7 grounds for divorce in Texas, and to be able to file for divorce, one of these situations must be true in your case
-Insupportability: there are disagreements that can't be resolved.
-Cruelty: one spouse is treating the other cruelly, to the point where the situation has become unbearable.
-Adultery: your spouse has cheated on you.
-Conviction of a felony: your spouse has been convicted of a felony during your marriage and imprisoned for at least one year without pardon. (You can't use this ground if your testimony is what was used in court to convict your spouse).
-Abandonment: your spouse left with no intention of coming back, and has been gone for at least one year.
-Living apart: you and your spouse haven't lived together for at least three years.
-Confinement in mental hospital: your spouse has been confined in a mental hospital (state or private) for at least three years and there's no indication this will change.


and in Massachusetts

At least one spouse must be a resident of Massachusetts for one year before filing for divorce.

grounds:
Adultery
Impotency
Desertion for one year prior to the filing of the complaint.
Alcohol or drug addiction.
Cruel and abusive treatment.
Willful neglect and refusing to provide suitable support and maintenance for the other spouse.
Irretrievable breakdown of the marriage.
Confinement for five years or more in a federal penal institution or in a penal or reformatory institution in this or any other state.


so it seems it would require one of them to move to Mass for a YEAR. SO while still possible id say thats a good reason not to think this is agenda driven.

I did note that neither state allows divorce for the purpose of pushing a gay rights agenda, which you said you'd be ok with. Funny how some will approve of just about anything if it fits their agenda. No need to respond, just a pointless observation.
 
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