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    Re: Texas' Refusal To Allow Gay Couples To Divorce May Be The Next Constitutional Sho

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    Awesome. I've been waiting for a case like this! Cases like this will show that it's ridiculous to not have marriage equality in all states... yea!

    Although I do feel sorry for the couple involved; what a limbo to be in!
    yep this cases, the state bannings and cases like it will just pave the way!
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    Re: Texas' Refusal To Allow Gay Couples To Divorce May Be The Next Constitutional Sho

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    weird, that doesn't answer any of my questions, still nothing huh
    You don't ask questions, you demand that others see your way of thinking. 8)

    And some wonder why Russia passed laws against this sort of agenda driven crap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    Texas' Refusal To Allow Gay Couples To Divorce May Be The Next Constitutional Showdown - Business Insider

    back up links:
    http://www.slate.com/articles/news_a..._same_sex.html
    http://www.policymic.com/articles/63...for-gay-rights


    and BOOM!
    there you have it.
    Stuff like this is the beginning to the end of discrimination and denying equal rights.

    Me and many others called it when DOMA fell and then again when IRS granted equal rights no matter the state couples reside.

    National equal rights for gays is coming and many cases (hopefully just a few SSCs and one SCOTUS) like these are going to make it happen. These types or gross discrimination and equality violations along with state bannings are going to HELP establish equal rights for gays.

    In my opinion there's nothing right about what Texas is doing to these people and legally other similar cases have ruled its wrong also.

    Like i was saying, when DOMA fell me and others said thats the first step because cases like these and 1000s of others are going to establish equal rights.

    If a gay married couple lives in taxes and one of them is in the hospital does the other not get spousal visitation rights or spousal say in healthcare?
    Can one of them cheat and its ok?
    What if one dies, does texas take the stuff in the dead spouses name?
    Can one spouse be FORCED to testify against the other since texas doesnt see their marriage?
    etc etc etc etc and a 100 more examples that involve state, and local policies.

    There will be cases like these springing up more and more and they will have to be dealt with. Its great because its going to be poetic justice, all these discrimination and laws banning equal rights for gays are going to be the kindling for the fire to burn the whole bigoted and or discrimination wall down.

    Equal rights is going to get the last laugh!

    Bigotry and discrimination are already against the ropes, their wobbled, their stunned!

    Soon they will catch a left jab of equal rights and a right hook of justice, knocking their teeth out and sending them to the canvas down for the count!!!!
    I had a normal hetero marriage and it took me nearly 8 years to get divorced, from initial filing to fonal decree. Cry me a river.

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    Re: Texas' Refusal To Allow Gay Couples To Divorce May Be The Next Constitutional Sho

    Quote Originally Posted by WCH View Post
    You don't ask questions, you demand that others see your way of thinking. 8)

    And some wonder why Russia passed laws against this sort of agenda driven crap.

    another posted lie and deflection. Nothing new. Let us know when you can answer those questions
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    Re: Texas' Refusal To Allow Gay Couples To Divorce May Be The Next Constitutional Sho

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    2.) you have zero facts to support that?
    2.) whats the agenda you are guessing about?
    As much as I support SSM, I do think this is agenda driven.

    IMO, the beef should be with Massachusetts for not allowing divorce unless you are a resident. If you were married there, you should be able to divorce there. Texas IMO should not be required to do same sex divorces IF they aren't doing same sex marriages. Given that this couple isn't going after Massachusetts and instead is battling Texas does seem to support this is agenda driven. At least that is the way I'm seeing it.

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    Re: Texas' Refusal To Allow Gay Couples To Divorce May Be The Next Constitutional Sho

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    As much as I support SSM, I do think this is agenda driven.

    2.) IMO, the beef should be with Massachusetts for not allowing divorce unless you are a resident. If you were married there, you should be able to divorce there.

    3.)Texas IMO should not be required to do same sex divorces IF they aren't doing same sex marriages.
    4.) Given that this couple isn't going after Massachusetts and instead is battling Texas does seem to support this is agenda driven.
    5.)At least that is the way I'm seeing it.
    1.) of course not and honestly even if it was it wouldnt bother me because the agenda would be achieving equality. I have no discorse for rosa parks a million others, women, minorities etc we never heard of that had an agenda to achieve equal rights.
    2.) yes and no
    I dont think it should be a direct beef with Mass but with marriage law. Its a two bird with one stone issue. Marriages should be able to be granted and ended anywhere in the US.

    and i must admit im not familiar with this part of the law but there are a handful of states if not more that have this practice.

    so what i hope this accomplishes is: ending the bigotry and discrimination of texas against legal marriages and establishing more equality of marriage overall in the US.

    3.) currently i agree simply because that is the law but i dont think that should be the law and thats what SSC or SCOTUS will decided. A think like marriage which is in fact a right should never be a state issue on this level.
    4.) again i dont think theres any evidence of that at all UNLESS all it is, is a plane ticket (even then it isnt cheap) but if mass law is you have to be a residence and to meet those requirements is showing a live in address and or bills in your name for the last 6 months or even 90 days then thats a huge is. NOTE: i just made that requirement up to show an example of this easily could have nothing to do with an agenda. Eventhough i also dont care if it was.
    5.) thats fair enough on something like that its all opinion.
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    Re: Texas' Refusal To Allow Gay Couples To Divorce May Be The Next Constitutional Sho

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    Texas' Refusal To Allow Gay Couples To Divorce May Be The Next Constitutional Showdown - Business Insider

    back up links:
    Texas and gay marriage: Will Texas’ refusal to grant divorces to same-sex couples be the next front in the marriage-equality wars? - Slate Magazine
    Inside The Next Big Battle For Gay Rights


    and BOOM!
    there you have it.
    Stuff like this is the beginning to the end of discrimination and denying equal rights.

    Me and many others called it when DOMA fell and then again when IRS granted equal rights no matter the state couples reside.

    National equal rights for gays is coming and many cases (hopefully just a few SSCs and one SCOTUS) like these are going to make it happen. These types or gross discrimination and equality violations along with state bannings are going to HELP establish equal rights for gays.

    In my opinion there's nothing right about what Texas is doing to these people and legally other similar cases have ruled its wrong also.

    Like i was saying, when DOMA fell me and others said thats the first step because cases like these and 1000s of others are going to establish equal rights.

    If a gay married couple lives in taxes and one of them is in the hospital does the other not get spousal visitation rights or spousal say in healthcare?
    Can one of them cheat and its ok?
    What if one dies, does texas take the stuff in the dead spouses name?
    Can one spouse be FORCED to testify against the other since texas doesnt see their marriage?
    etc etc etc etc and a 100 more examples that involve state, and local policies.

    There will be cases like these springing up more and more and they will have to be dealt with. Its great because its going to be poetic justice, all these discrimination and laws banning equal rights for gays are going to be the kindling for the fire to burn the whole bigoted and or discrimination wall down.

    Equal rights is going to get the last laugh!

    Bigotry and discrimination are already against the ropes, their wobbled, their stunned!

    Soon they will catch a left jab of equal rights and a right hook of justice, knocking their teeth out and sending them to the canvas down for the count!!!!
    Why should Texas tax-payers pay for something that isn't even legal in Texas?
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    Re: Texas' Refusal To Allow Gay Couples To Divorce May Be The Next Constitutional Sho

    I think this whole issue is part of a much bigger problem of what you get when you allow contracts to change over state lines. It is not just gays who suffer from different state idiocy over marriage. It is one thing to have states rights when you are talking about things like ownership of items or certain other things. but contrary to the right wing belief marriage is a contract as per the government. There should be consistency in contracts. How stupid and crazy is this? Texas legislature hates gay marriage along with a number of bigots in the state and out of spite they are going to keep these two married which is going to bring up a constitutional challenge to their ban in court which has a good possibility of forcing texas to recognize gay people as married like straight people. A logical, thoughtful, and intelligent person can see what is coming a mile away and simply give them a divorce, end a gay marriage, and stop any legal challenges to the ban.


    I know I should not be arguing with the stupidity, but it is so damned stupid. They are keeping a gay marriage just so they can pretend they do not exist. I know I should not be amazed by a state that elected Rick Ooops Perry, but divorce law inconsistencies are crazy enough without putting the braindead in charge of it. Oh well, it is time to get the popcorn and watch the texas homophobes get steamrolled by the constitution.

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    Re: Texas' Refusal To Allow Gay Couples To Divorce May Be The Next Constitutional Sho

    Quote Originally Posted by tererun View Post
    I think this whole issue is part of a much bigger problem of what you get when you allow contracts to change over state lines. It is not just gays who suffer from different state idiocy over marriage. It is one thing to have states rights when you are talking about things like ownership of items or certain other things. but contrary to the right wing belief marriage is a contract as per the government. There should be consistency in contracts. How stupid and crazy is this? Texas legislature hates gay marriage along with a number of bigots in the state and out of spite they are going to keep these two married which is going to bring up a constitutional challenge to their ban in court which has a good possibility of forcing texas to recognize gay people as married like straight people. A logical, thoughtful, and intelligent person can see what is coming a mile away and simply give them a divorce, end a gay marriage, and stop any legal challenges to the ban.


    I know I should not be arguing with the stupidity, but it is so damned stupid. They are keeping a gay marriage just so they can pretend they do not exist. I know I should not be amazed by a state that elected Rick Ooops Perry, but divorce law inconsistencies are crazy enough without putting the braindead in charge of it. Oh well, it is time to get the popcorn and watch the texas homophobes get steamrolled by the constitution.
    yep this has the potential to be a two bird with one stone issue.
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    Re: Texas' Refusal To Allow Gay Couples To Divorce May Be The Next Constitutional Sho

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    Texas' Refusal To Allow Gay Couples To Divorce May Be The Next Constitutional Showdown - Business Insider

    back up links:
    Texas and gay marriage: Will Texas’ refusal to grant divorces to same-sex couples be the next front in the marriage-equality wars? - Slate Magazine
    Inside The Next Big Battle For Gay Rights


    and BOOM!
    there you have it.
    Stuff like this is the beginning to the end of discrimination and denying equal rights.

    Me and many others called it when DOMA fell and then again when IRS granted equal rights no matter the state couples reside.

    National equal rights for gays is coming and many cases (hopefully just a few SSCs and one SCOTUS) like these are going to make it happen. These types or gross discrimination and equality violations along with state bannings are going to HELP establish equal rights for gays.

    In my opinion there's nothing right about what Texas is doing to these people and legally other similar cases have ruled its wrong also.

    Like i was saying, when DOMA fell me and others said thats the first step because cases like these and 1000s of others are going to establish equal rights.

    If a gay married couple lives in taxes and one of them is in the hospital does the other not get spousal visitation rights or spousal say in healthcare?
    Can one of them cheat and its ok?
    What if one dies, does texas take the stuff in the dead spouses name?
    Can one spouse be FORCED to testify against the other since texas doesnt see their marriage?
    etc etc etc etc and a 100 more examples that involve state, and local policies.

    There will be cases like these springing up more and more and they will have to be dealt with. Its great because its going to be poetic justice, all these discrimination and laws banning equal rights for gays are going to be the kindling for the fire to burn the whole bigoted and or discrimination wall down.

    Equal rights is going to get the last laugh!

    Bigotry and discrimination are already against the ropes, their wobbled, their stunned!

    Soon they will catch a left jab of equal rights and a right hook of justice, knocking their teeth out and sending them to the canvas down for the count!!!!


    and just a supplement to the op

    this looks like it has the potential to be a two birds with one stone issue

    not only will this very likely end the bigoted and discrimination laws in taxes over legal amrriage but it has the potential to equally regulate marriage nationally letting people marry and divorce anywhere in the US.

    also just some other info

    Texas law requires that one of the divorcing parties must have resided in Texas for at least the previous 6 months.

    There are 7 grounds for divorce in Texas, and to be able to file for divorce, one of these situations must be true in your case
    -Insupportability: there are disagreements that can't be resolved.
    -Cruelty: one spouse is treating the other cruelly, to the point where the situation has become unbearable.
    -Adultery: your spouse has cheated on you.
    -Conviction of a felony: your spouse has been convicted of a felony during your marriage and imprisoned for at least one year without pardon. (You can't use this ground if your testimony is what was used in court to convict your spouse).
    -Abandonment: your spouse left with no intention of coming back, and has been gone for at least one year.
    -Living apart: you and your spouse haven't lived together for at least three years.
    -Confinement in mental hospital: your spouse has been confined in a mental hospital (state or private) for at least three years and there's no indication this will change.


    and in Massachusetts

    At least one spouse must be a resident of Massachusetts for one year before filing for divorce.

    grounds:
    Adultery
    Impotency
    Desertion for one year prior to the filing of the complaint.
    Alcohol or drug addiction.
    Cruel and abusive treatment.
    Willful neglect and refusing to provide suitable support and maintenance for the other spouse.
    Irretrievable breakdown of the marriage.
    Confinement for five years or more in a federal penal institution or in a penal or reformatory institution in this or any other state.


    so it seems it would require one of them to move to Mass for a YEAR. SO while still possible id say thats a good reason not to think this is agenda driven.
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