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Texas' Refusal To Allow Gay Couples To Divorce May Be The Next Constitutional Showdow

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WCH said:
Why should we Texans have to be subjected to such? We LEGALLY voted against SSM and therefore SSD.
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Because Texans, in spite of their stupid bigotries, do not get an exemption from the constitution


And no I'm not sure it's legal for them to move here under that premise.
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Citizens are free to move wherever they want for any reason.

It's on the same level as moving from a state where marijuana is legal to one where it's not and expecting there to be changes made in the law to conform to your habit.
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Expecting changes to laws is not illegal

It's not going to happen.
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But it is going to happen
 
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AGENT J said:
thats what i thought you got nothing as usual, i love it
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Par for the course in your reply. Monotonous...same ol' stuff.

Texans have an equal right to determine the laws of their own state.
 
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WCH said:
Par for the course in your reply. Monotonous...same ol' stuff.

Texans have an equal right to determine the laws of their own state.
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weird, that doesn't answer any of my questions, still nothing huh
 
Re: Texas' Refusal To Allow Gay Couples To Divorce May Be The Next Constitutional Sho

Reminds me of a sequence from the George Gershwin opera, Porgy and Bess; where Bess is seeking a divorce from Crown, so that she can pursue her relationship with Porgy. In the process, it is determine that she was never actually married to Crown, which is what makes the divorce such a challenge, and which the “lawyer” handling the matter uses as an excuse to boast about his expertise, because it takes much greater skill to bring a divorce into effect when there was no marriage.

Really, that's what is happening here. Texas rightfully recognizes the fact that by definition, marriage is only between a man and a woman. These two are not married, and that is what makes getting a divorce so difficult. They don't need a divorce. They just need to sort out one person's stuff from another, move into separate homes, and be done with it.
 
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sbrettt said:
I think this is one of what what will be many whimpers coming out of the traditional marriage crowd as their movement dies.
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Traditional marriage died when women became equal partners in marriages.
 
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Bob Blaylock said:
Reminds me of a sequence from the George Gershwin opera, Porgy and Bess; where Bess is seeking a divorce from Crown, so that she can pursue her relationship with Porgy. In the process, it is determine that she was never actually married to Crown, which is what makes the divorce such a challenge, and which the “lawyer” handling the matter uses as an excuse to boast about his expertise, because it takes much greater skill to bring a divorce into effect when there was no marriage.

Really, that's what is happening here. Texas rightfully recognizes the fact that by definition, marriage is only between a man and a woman. These two are not married, and that is what makes getting a divorce so difficult. They don't need a divorce. They just need to sort out one person's stuff from another, move into separate homes, and be done with it.
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but yet the fact remains they are legally married :shrug:
 
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WCH said:
Par for the course in your reply. Monotonous...same ol' stuff.

Texans have an equal right to determine the laws of their own state
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And the United States Supreme Court has the right to throw any of those Texas laws that it determines to be unconstitutional in the trash can.
 
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WCH said:
They didn't move here so they could get a divorce.

Why put yourselves in this predicament unless you have ulterior motives or zero forethought.
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You'd have to ask them. I can't explain that one.
 
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shrubnose said:
And the United States Supreme Court has the right to throw any of those Texas laws that it determines to be unconstitutional in the trash can.
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yep and you just called what is eventually going to happen in the future. maybe not this case but its coming.

i actually think the Texas supreme court may even rule on this one and allow it.

while the whole state isnt on board yet san Antonio just made some laws/ordinances to protect equal gay rights.
San Antonio Adopts Disputed Gay Rights Measure - ABC News
 
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sbrettt said:
Gotcha?
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meaning i understand lol
 
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WCH said:
Why should we Texans have to be subjected to such? We LEGALLY voted against SSM and therefore SSD.

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Don't include this 5th generation Texan in the "we". I voted against the amendment banning SSM in Texas.
 
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Meh, yet more crystal ball gazing idocy. Different states have different divorce requirements. Why do you think folks have popped down to Mexico or over to Vegas for a "quickie divorce" all these years. This won't change a thing. As for this case, they knew the deal when they signed on to one another FOR LIFE. Divorce isn't easy, nor should it be. They'll have to work it out or do the work to end it.
 
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shrubnose said:
And the United States Supreme Court has the right to throw any of those Texas laws that it determines to be unconstitutional in the trash can.
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that's true too.
 
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AGENT J said:
yep and you just called what is eventually going to happen in the future. maybe not this case but its coming.

i actually think the Texas supreme court may even rule on this one and allow it.

while the whole state isnt on board yet
San Antonio
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 just made some laws/ordinances to protect equal gay rights.
San Antonio Adopts Disputed Gay Rights Measure - ABC News
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I spent some time in Texas thirty-some years ago. San Antonio is a great town, Houston - I did not like, too many wannabe cowboys there when I was there.
 
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Thrilla said:
not in Texas , they aren't.
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actually yes even IN texas they are still legally married. Texas does not recognize their marriage to be legal on a state level but they are legally married. Even more so now with the fall of DOMA and the IRS recognizing this also granting tax rights for all those legally married no matter where they reside.

and thats the point of my op, this is the stuff that is going to help achieve equality eventually and end discrimination on this front.
 
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shrubnose said:
I spent some time in Texas thirty-some years ago. San Antonio is a great town, Houston - I did not like, too many wannabe cowboys there when I was there.
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I actually have some friends and family members there. Some of the are gay and while they say there is definitely a gay scene there (clubs and stuff) and very friendly gay areas the bigotry and pure hate from SOME is actually scary and disturbing at time.
 
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AGENT J said:
I actually have some friends and family members there. Some of the are gay and while they say there is definitely a gay scene there (clubs and stuff) and very friendly gay areas the bigotry and pure hate from SOME is actually scary and disturbing at time.
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One of the largest gay Church's in the nation is here in Dallas.
 
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AGENT J said:
actually yes even IN texas they are still legally married. Texas does not recognize their marriage to be legal on a state level but they are legally married. Even more so now with the fall of DOMA and the IRS recognizing this also granting tax rights for all those legally married no matter where they reside.

and thats the point of my op, this is the stuff that is going to help achieve equality eventually and end discrimination on this front.
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Texas does not recognize same sex marriage...their marriage is not valid in Texas.
if they were legally married , according to Texas .. then they could be divorced, legally, in Texas.

I don't know how to say it any clearer.
 
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winston53660 said:
One of the largest gay Church's in the nation is here in Dallas.
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thats awesome! i dod not know that and i guess thats what she meant when she said the transition from area to area, person to person is shocking
 
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shrubnose said:
I spent some time in Texas thirty-some years ago. San Antonio is a great town, Houston - I did not like, too many wannabe cowboys there when I was there.
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I don't like San Antonio or Houston.... or Dallas for that matter.

I like Austin ( not the government, though)... and I like the rural areas outside of Austin even better ( that's where I live)

despite the cries of lots of non-texans, nobody around here seems to give a **** about SSM... except for the hippies in Austin who think it's the most important issue ever to face us.
 
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Thrilla said:
Texas does not recognize same sex marriage...their marriage is not valid in Texas.
if they were legally married , according to Texas .. then they could be divorced, legally, in Texas.

I don't know how to say it any clearer.
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how to say it more clear would be to say it in a accurate way

their marriage IS factual valid IN Texas but Texas doesnt recognize it

do other states still consider them married while in texas? yes
can the file taxes as a married couple while IN taxes? yes
 
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AGENT J said:
thats awesome! i dod not know that and i guess thats what she meant when she said the transition from area to area, person to person is shocking
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A Guy I've known all my life is the children's minister there

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AGENT J said:
thats awesome! i dod not know that and i guess thats what she meant when she said the transition from area to area, person to person is shocking
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the church just down the road from me just had a big float in the Pride parade in Austin..... they tried to give me a bunch of t-shirts for doing the welding on the frame.

I haven't seen any protests against same sex marriage ....or any vocal opposition , for that matter... not in public anyways.
 
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