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    Re: Texas' Refusal To Allow Gay Couples To Divorce May Be The Next Constitutional Sho

    I can't blame them. Can you imagine all the bitching and slapping that will come around when they fight over who gets custody of the Cher CDs?

    I don't want to be part of that nightmare.

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    Re: Texas' Refusal To Allow Gay Couples To Divorce May Be The Next Constitutional Sho

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    Texas' Refusal To Allow Gay Couples To Divorce May Be The Next Constitutional Showdown - Business Insider

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    Texas and gay marriage: Will Texas’ refusal to grant divorces to same-sex couples be the next front in the marriage-equality wars? - Slate Magazine
    Inside The Next Big Battle For Gay Rights


    and BOOM!
    there you have it.
    Stuff like this is the beginning to the end of discrimination and denying equal rights.

    Me and many others called it when DOMA fell and then again when IRS granted equal rights no matter the state couples reside.

    National equal rights for gays is coming and many cases (hopefully just a few SSCs and one SCOTUS) like these are going to make it happen. These types or gross discrimination and equality violations along with state bannings are going to HELP establish equal rights for gays.

    In my opinion there's nothing right about what Texas is doing to these people and legally other similar cases have ruled its wrong also.

    Like i was saying, when DOMA fell me and others said thats the first step because cases like these and 1000s of others are going to establish equal rights.

    If a gay married couple lives in taxes and one of them is in the hospital does the other not get spousal visitation rights or spousal say in healthcare?
    Can one of them cheat and its ok?
    What if one dies, does texas take the stuff in the dead spouses name?
    Can one spouse be FORCED to testify against the other since texas doesnt see their marriage?
    etc etc etc etc and a 100 more examples that involve state, and local policies.

    There will be cases like these springing up more and more and they will have to be dealt with. Its great because its going to be poetic justice, all these discrimination and laws banning equal rights for gays are going to be the kindling for the fire to burn the whole bigoted and or discrimination wall down.

    Equal rights is going to get the last laugh!

    Bigotry and discrimination are already against the ropes, their wobbled, their stunned!

    Soon they will catch a left jab of equal rights and a right hook of justice, knocking their teeth out and sending them to the canvas down for the count!!!!
    The question is why did this couple move to a state that does not recognize their marriage?

    This was their choice and now have to live with the consequences.

    They can get divorced if they move back to the state that married them.

    Problem solved.

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    Re: Texas' Refusal To Allow Gay Couples To Divorce May Be The Next Constitutional Sho

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    1.)The question is why did this couple move to a state that does not recognize their marriage?
    2.)This was their choice and now have to live with the consequences.
    3.)They can get divorced if they move back to the state that married them.
    4.)Problem solved.
    1.) yeah weirdos why do they think they can just move around the county as they see fit
    2.) yep again they choose to have their rights violated
    3.) wow, you nailed it, all they have to do is uproot their lives family and work/businesses they have had the last 5 years or so in texas, move back to mass, live there for a year THEN they can start the divorce procedure
    4.) yep you got this all figured out, you nailed it.
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    Re: Texas' Refusal To Allow Gay Couples To Divorce May Be The Next Constitutional Sho

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    Yes it would. That's the point.
    Then the federal government needs marriages and divorces every state recognizes just like with hetero marriage. After all some benefits are federal not just state

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    Re: Texas' Refusal To Allow Gay Couples To Divorce May Be The Next Constitutional Sho

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Then the federal government needs marriages and divorces every state recognizes just like with hetero marriage. After all some benefits are federal not just state
    yep this is exactly what needs to happen and is whats going to happen eventually.

    and just for info its not just some it nearly 1200 rights and benefits granted by the fed.
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    Re: Texas' Refusal To Allow Gay Couples To Divorce May Be The Next Constitutional Sho

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Then the federal government needs marriages and divorces every state recognizes just like with hetero marriage. After all some benefits are federal not just state
    The fed has decided that some federal benefits should be paid to SS couples. AFAIK, the federal government has not recognized SS marriage. I'm not sure if the feds recognize SS divorce. Interesting point since presumably those SS benefits would go away in the event of a SS divorce.

    Back to the OP, all this couple has to do as far as Texas is concerned is to go their own ways If they want a divorce in the traditional sense, shouldn't that happen where SS divorce is legal.

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    Re: Texas' Refusal To Allow Gay Couples To Divorce May Be The Next Constitutional Sho

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) yeah weirdos why do they think they can just move around the county as they see fit
    2.) yep again they choose to have their rights violated
    3.) wow, you nailed it, all they have to do is uproot their lives family and work/businesses they have had the last 5 years or so in texas, move back to mass, live there for a year THEN they can start the divorce procedure
    4.) yep you got this all figured out, you nailed it.
    Thank you for numbering my points as it seems you can't keep track of them without that.

    You seem to argue just for the sake of arguing. You missed the point of what I was trying to say, which is OK.

    If you are a Smart person, which these two are not, you do not move to a state you know doesn't recognize your marriage if you intend on enforcing any provision of said marriage in that state.

    They did not have to chose to have their rights violated, as they don't have the right in the state of Texas.

    They uprooted their lives from Mass. to move to Texas so they can go back to Mass to get their divorce.

    Texas should not have to change its laws to accomadate two lazy people that don't want to follow the law.

    You can vry equal right all day long, and that won't change anything.

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    Re: Texas' Refusal To Allow Gay Couples To Divorce May Be The Next Constitutional Sho

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    1.)Thank you for numbering my points as it seems you can't keep track of them without that.
    2.)You seem to argue just for the sake of arguing. You missed the point of what I was trying to say, which is OK.
    3.)If you are a Smart person, which these two are not, you do not move to a state you know doesn't recognize your marriage if you intend on enforcing any provision of said marriage in that state.
    4.)They did not have to chose to have their rights violated, as they don't have the right in the state of Texas.
    5.) They uprooted their lives from Mass. to move to Texas so they can go back to Mass to get their divorce.
    6.)Texas should not have to change its laws to accomadate two lazy people that don't want to follow the law.
    7.)You can vry equal right all day long, and that won't change anything.
    1.) you're welcome and thank you for the failed insults, it exposes your ability
    2.) nope just pointing out that your point is a failed one, unrealistic and illogical and will probably be found to violate their rights
    3.) of course you move where every you want because you are free to do so in the US and marriage is a right. Also nobody plans to get a divorce before its time, so sorry thats wrong and or a super weak opinion at best. WHat if business brought them here? career opportunity? adoption? family? a death in the family and they are running the business, or sickness and they are taking care of family etc etc and a 1000 other legitimate reasons they may of gone to texas. Trying to make this black and white and say there couldn't possible be a reason is what is stupid.
    4.) no they only have to leave what ever they have going on in texas for a whole year before they can even start the process instead of just having thier rights honored. Again unrealistically and plain stupid.
    5.) see 4# this nonsense already failed.
    6.) nothing lazy about them, your shtick is horrible lol and texas wouldnt have to change anything if they just granted the divorce, try reading the article, it was already on its way with the first judge. but now texas just might be forced to grant equality and stop discriminating because of this, thats the funniest part.
    7.) dont know what this says, luckily i numbered it so you can figure it out and get back to me
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    Re: Texas' Refusal To Allow Gay Couples To Divorce May Be The Next Constitutional Sho

    Quote Originally Posted by jimbo View Post
    The fed has decided that some federal benefits should be paid to SS couples. AFAIK, the federal government has not recognized SS marriage. I'm not sure if the feds recognize SS divorce. Interesting point since presumably those SS benefits would go away in the event of a SS divorce.

    Back to the OP, all this couple has to do as far as Texas is concerned is to go their own ways If they want a divorce in the traditional sense, shouldn't that happen where SS divorce is legal.
    what about property, money, kids, joint debt, joint accounts or business ventures? etc etc

    lets deal in reality, its simply not that simple and the fact is they will still be married. what happened if one would move back to mass years later and try to sue for money or property or income while they went their separate ways?

    sorry its nonsensical to think thats even a reailty based option, not saying YOU did just pointing that out
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    Re: Texas' Refusal To Allow Gay Couples To Divorce May Be The Next Constitutional Sho

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    The Feds recognize the marriage. What about those issues like w SS benefits
    I challenge you to find a marriage licence of any sort with a Federal stamp/seal on it.

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