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Assad tells Obama to stop arming rebels or no deal

Q&A: Nir Rosen on Syria's armed opposition - Features - Al Jazeera English

Excerpt: "AJ: Who are the fighters - army defectors, armed civilians or "armed gangs"?

NR: The issue of defectors is a distraction. Armed resistance began long before defections started. While fighters are often portrayed in the media as defectors from the Syrian military, the majority are civilians who have taken up arms. The opposition believes it will have more legitimacy if fighters are dubbed "defectors", and described collectively as the Free Syrian Army.

They are also not armed gangs, as the regime and its supporters describe them. They are much more akin to a popular armed struggle or an insurgency. In fact, many Syrian revolutionaries use the term muqawama, ["resistance"] to describe themselves. This I find particularly ironic, as the Syrian regime and its supporters champion "resistance" (to Israel and the West) as the reason for their legitimacy, and the reason why they are being targeted by an alleged "foreign conspiracy" in the form of this uprising."




Apparently, as the FSA has been fighting with the Al Nusar front.



Syrian Opposition Call for No-Fly Zone, 8 October 2011



Proof?



Your point? How does that change the number of fighters?

Also the part about Syria breaking down into 3 regions put that into perspective. As what part of the Civilians are backing who.



Al Nusar is still outnumbered.[/QUOTE]

From your own link.

According to the SFA, 12,000 soldiers have joined their ranks, with 18 brigades set up in various Syria cities.

but 90 per cent of the army is Sunni and they are trying to make it sectarian by going in and killing Syrian civilians in Sunni areas,” said the SFA source, noting that the minority Alawite faith group still controls the majority of the heavy weaponry at the disposal of the Syrian army.

“But there will be no reprisals, as we also have Alawites in our ranks who oppose the [Bashar] al-Assad regime,” he added. <<<<<Only validation is a Sunni Rebel.....got anything else on any Alawites going against Assad?


Did you still need to see the links on how Al Nusra and others are Fighting the FSA and do you need the link with the FSA Commander saying that when Al Nusra comes they give them what they want.

Proof.....from your own link and the one I just got done posting up.

Also as to who the Civilians are backing who that also was just put up in post 175.
 
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Part two to post 175.....

Also from your link again.....

The SFA’s senior leadership is based in Turkey and issues commands to the 18 rebel brigades, including the Kataeb Khaled bin Alwaleed in Homs and Kataeb al- Khashooshli and Kataeb Abu al-Fida in neighbouring cities.....snip~


part 2.....

As extremists rose in the rebel ranks, the United States sought to limit their influence, first by designating Nusra a terrorist organization, and later by pushing for the formation of the Supreme Military Council, which is linked to the exile opposition group, the Syrian National Coalition.

Although led by an army defector, Gen. Salim Idris, the council has taken in the leaders of many overtly Islamist battalions. One called the Syrian Liberation Front has been integrated nearly wholesale into the council; many of its members coordinate closely with the Syrian Islamic Front, a group that includes the extremist Ahrar al-Sham, according to a recent report by Ms. O’Bagy, of the Institute for the Study of War.

In the past, United States officials saw the Islamist groups’ abundant resources as the main draw for recruits, said Steven Heydemann, a senior adviser at the United States Institute of Peace, which works with the State Department.

The strategy is based on the current assessment that popular appeal of these groups is transactional, not ideological, and that opportunities exist to peel people away by providing alternative support and resources,” he said.

Mr. Heydemann acknowledged, however, that the current momentum toward radicalism could be hard to reverse.

We all want an Islamic state and we want Shariah to be applied,” said Maawiya Hassan Agha, a rebel activist reached by Skype in the northern village of Sarmeen. He said a country’s laws should flow from its people’s beliefs and compared Syrians calling for Islamic law with the French banning Muslim women from wearing face veils.....snip~

Pretty much is telling it like it is.....and from now the Liberal and Progressive leaning NY Times as well as AP, Reuters, and UPI.
 
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The fact that you didn't check out those links with what was said and concerning sources......shows us what again? :roll:

That I don't need to link spam with every post?


Oh did you need something more liberal like to chew on when it comes to The Rebels/Terrorists.

I'll take what's accurate, thank you.




The fact that you didn't know whats up.....leaves you where now? Weren't you saying something about Numbers?

That's funny, because your own link says: " But most of Nusra’s fighters joined the group for the weapons, not the ideology, he said, and some left after discovering the Qaeda connection.

“Most of the youth who joined them did so to topple the regime, not because they wanted to join Al Qaeda,” he said, speaking on the condition of anonymity for fear of retaliation. "



Desperation?????.....not even if it was on your Life!!!!! <yawn>

Good thing its not.
 
Al Nusar is still outnumbered.

Yes, thank you. I kno

From your own link.

According to the SFA, 12,000 soldiers have joined their ranks, with 18 brigades set up in various Syria cities.

Again, from your link "But most of Nusra’s fighters joined the group for the weapons, not the ideology, he said, and some left after discovering the Qaeda connection.

“Most of the youth who joined them did so to topple the regime, not because they wanted to join Al Qaeda,” he said, speaking on the condition of anonymity for fear of retaliation."


“But there will be no reprisals, as we also have Alawites in our ranks who oppose the [Bashar] al-Assad regime,” he added. <<<<<Only validation is a Sunni Rebel.....got anything else on any Alawites going against Assad?

Do you have anything to refute his claim?


Did you still need to see the links on how Al Nusra and others are Fighting the FSA and do you need the link with the FSA Commander saying that when Al Nusra comes they give them what they want.

Um, what exactly are you asking? I have the links that show the FSA fighting with the Al Nusra front.


Also as to who the Civilians are backing who that also was just put up in post 175.

Civilians will back who ever can shield them better.
 
And I never said you did.



What happened with Afghanistan and Osama Bin Laden was a series of un-foreseeable coincidences and circumstances that were far beyond out control.

Syria is not being invaded by communist forces. We know who the bad guys are.
Five years from now as we get ready to wage war in the next middleeastern country...

What happened with Syria and Moaz al-Khatib was a series of un-foreseeable coincidences and circumstances that were far beyond out control.

We know who the bad guys are this time, honest.
 
That I don't need to link spam with every post?




I'll take what's accurate, thank you.






That's funny, because your own link says: " But most of Nusra’s fighters joined the group for the weapons, not the ideology, he said, and some left after discovering the Qaeda connection.

“Most of the youth who joined them did so to topple the regime, not because they wanted to join Al Qaeda,” he said, speaking on the condition of anonymity for fear of retaliation. "





Good thing its not.

Right I doubt you can call the AP, Rueters, and the UPI or the NY Times as Spam. Not to mention with your running off on tangent. I doubt you can get any more Accurate than the Main News Media Sources that all other News Sources get theirs from.

You can deflect away as much as you like about who has the Support. You have been shown. Plus now you know who is making the money and who is not. Within the Rebels/Terrorists. Also now you know about those so called numbers you were talking about.

Moreover.....we now have Al Nusras own words. So that part about that most joined for weapons doesn't mean much. While I am sure some left over AQ. The others are now aligned with AQ. Plus they have increased their Numbers since they became the Dominate Fighting force out of all the Opposition.
 
Yes, thank you. I kno

Again, from your link "But most of Nusra’s fighters joined the group for the weapons, not the ideology, he said, and some left after discovering the Qaeda connection.

“Most of the youth who joined them did so to topple the regime, not because they wanted to join Al Qaeda,” he said, speaking on the condition of anonymity for fear of retaliation."

Do you have anything to refute his claim?

Um, what exactly are you asking? I have the links that show the FSA fighting with the Al Nusra front.

Civilians will back who ever can shield them better.


Yes you know about AL Nusra being out numbered by themselves as their own Organization, but then those numbers have all increased due to all their success. So your welcome, and for not knowing about any other Groups that say they are Separate with Al Nusra but fight with them at times......and not any other Groups aligned to them and their Numbers.

Again we have Al Nusra's own words now and we know they are Aligned with AQ. Separate of AQ too. Plus we also now know they have clerics and lawyers dispensing Sharia Law in the land and holding Court. So much for what you were trying to use about who joined Al Nusra in the beginning.

Do you have anything to back up the Rebel/Terrorist's claim. See the UN has stated that 6 times the Rebels have accused Assad of Chems. Which the UN knows 4 of those times the Rebels lied. We also have the Rebels lying about numbers killed, that they don't assassinate prisoners, plus their big lie on that they didn't use Chems. Plus they don't attack Christians. So we do know they aren't very truthful.

So trying to use one of the Rebels saying there are Alawaites in the Opposition. Isn't validating that there are Alawaites in the Opposition. None are listed. So if you have some sort of link showing Alawites have defected to the Rebels/ Terrorists. Sure would appreciate you giving us something of substance.

Do you have the links showing the Rebels fighting each other? Do you have the links where Al Nusra stated they do not recognized the FSA and the SNC? Which that doesn't even count AQ who doesn't recognize the FSA or the SNC. Nor Assad.

Yeah civilians back up who can shield them better. How come that isn't the FSA and their SNC?
 
Assad tells Obama to stop arming rebels or no deal

When you have a lightweight by the balls... just squeeze a little harder to make it sterile.

Yes... Obama has the US might behind him, but as Secretary of State Smaller than a Pin Prick admitted, there is no testosterone behind thems dings.

Put-In and Basher Asshat have president Numb Nuts by the balls and are dragging him around like a rag doll. He's being dragged around by his lead from his behind.
 
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This is a no win situation for the US. If we help the rebels, we risk the extremists coming in.
We should just mind our own business for once.




I agree that minding your own business is usually a good idea.

The problem with Syria is determining exactly what is the USA's own business.

What should the USA do ? What should it not do?

If we knew for sure the answers to those questions we'd be ****ting in high cotton.
 
I agree that minding your own business is usually a good idea.
It would be wonderful if our government would live by this motto, but noooooooooooooooo... our active little Socialists believe our business is their business... and these pimps/parasites do everything in their power to make us their little prostitutes.
 
Right I doubt you can call the AP, Rueters, and the UPI or the NY Times as Spam.

If you actually posted them...



You can deflect away as much as you like about who has the Support. You have been shown.

You've shown me a link and a lot of nonsense.

w you know who is making the money and who is not. Within the Rebels/Terrorists. Also now you know about those so called numbers you were talking about.

i'm sorry, to you expect me to respond when you can't even string a coherent thought together?

Moreover.....we now have Al Nusras own words.

Words?


Plus they have increased their Numbers since they became the Dominate Fighting force out of all the Opposition.

They are one of several.
 
Is this enough proof for you yet? Or do you still blindly support King Obama?

I don't even recognize a King Obama.

And please, your arguments are a bunch of YT videos? That's...something.
 
Yes you know about AL Nusra being out numbered by themselves as their own Organization

What?

but then those numbers have all increased due to all their success.

Yes, that is unfortunate.


Again we have Al Nusra's own words now and we know they are Aligned with AQ. Separate of AQ too. Plus we also now know they have clerics and lawyers dispensing Sharia Law in the land and holding Court. So much for what you were trying to use about who joined Al Nusra in the beginning.

Was that supposed to be a refutation?

Do you have anything to back up the Rebel/Terrorist's claim. See the UN has stated that 6 times the Rebels have accused Assad of Chems. Which the UN knows 4 of those times the Rebels lied. We also have the Rebels lying about numbers killed, that they don't assassinate prisoners, plus their big lie on that they didn't use Chems. Plus they don't attack Christians. So we do know they aren't very truthful.

Proof or it didn't happen.

So trying to use one of the Rebels saying there are Alawaites in the Opposition. Isn't validating that there are Alawaites in the Opposition. None are listed. So if you have some sort of link showing Alawites have defected to the Rebels/ Terrorists. Sure would appreciate you giving us something of substance.

I did. Just because you don't like them doesn't make it false.

Do you have the links showing the Rebels fighting each other?

Free Syrian army clashes with jihadists in wake of commander's assassination | World news | The Observer


Yeah civilians back up who can shield them better. How come that isn't the FSA and their SNC?

If I were to guess, It's because Al Nusra has Al Quaida supply lines.
 
When you have a lightweight by the balls... just squeeze a little harder to make it sterile. Yes... Obama has the US might behind him, but as Secretary of State Smaller than a Pin Prick admitted, there is no testosterone behind thems dings. Put-In and Basher Asshat have president Numb Nuts by the balls and are dragging him around like a rag doll. He's being dragged around by his lead from his behind.

I want some of what your taking to see all that. Fact is Putin and Assad are toeing the line after huffing and puffing. BushII isn't in office so your confusing your Presidents when it comes to numb nuts. Some CONS just can't stand it, the chemical weapon crisis is being defused without a simpering snickering fool in charge...

Now when it comes to going in or staying out CONS are demanding we greatly increase our arming the rebels. I watched Senator Bob Corker R-Tenn demand we greatly increase the weapon flow to the rebels... seems to me Cons are all over the chart on what they think is best.

At this point President Obama is firmly in the driver's seat, and oh how the CONs are screaming.... :lol:
 
That's a whole lot more proof then what our government is giving on the whole Assad chemical weapon use.

I don't even recognize a King Obama.

And please, your arguments are a bunch of YT videos? That's...something.
 
I want some of what your taking to see all that. Fact is Putin and Assad are toeing the line after huffing and puffing. BushII isn't in office so your confusing your Presidents when it comes to numb nuts. Some CONS just can't stand it, the chemical weapon crisis is being defused without a simpering snickering fool in charge...

Now when it comes to going in or staying out CONS are demanding we greatly increase our arming the rebels. I watched Senator Bob Corker R-Tenn demand we greatly increase the weapon flow to the rebels... seems to me Cons are all over the chart on what they think is best.

At this point President Obama is firmly in the driver's seat, and oh how the CONs are screaming.... :lol:

Obama is firmly in the driver's seat, but of which car? The YUGO with no steering wheel or brakes? The one being towed by others of questionable motives and character?

I'll let Joe Klein examine the escaped goo from Obama's Depends.

Joe Klein... basically Debbie Wasserman Schultz with a little more polish, mixes fact with pretty-please "Hope". For him and others to write and state what they have of President Incompetent... they had little choice... everyone was watching the goo slowly seep from the pant leg across the floor and being flung about as Obama made his... Exh-it... Staage Leehft.
On the eve of the 12th anniversary of the 9/11 terrorist attacks, Barack Obama made the strongest possible case for the use of force against Bashar Assad’s Syrian regime. But it wasn’t a very strong case. Indeed, it was built on a false premise...

The President knows this, which makes his words and gestures during the weeks leading up to his Syria speech all the more perplexing.

He willingly jumped into a bear trap of his own creation.

In the process, he has damaged his presidency and weakened the nation’s standing in the world.

It has been one of the more stunning and inexplicable displays of presidential incompetence that I’ve ever witnessed.

Read more: Obama and Syria: Stumbling Toward Damascus | TIME.com

That was being as diplomatic as a propagandist can be when everyone knows he flunked it big time.


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Obama is firmly in the driver's seat, but of which car? The YUGO with no steering wheel or brakes? The one being towed by others of questionable motives and character? I'll let Joe Klein examine the escaped goo from Obama's Depends. Joe Klein... basically Debbie Wasserman Schultz with a little more polish, mixes fact with pretty-please "Hope". For him and others to write and state what they have of President Incompetent... they had little choice... everyone was watching the goo slowly seep from the pant leg across the floor and being flung about as Obama made his... Exh-it... Staage Leehft. That was being as diplomatic as a propagandist can be when everyone knows he flunked it big time.

Laughing, oh the CONvoluted hot mess the hyper partisans have to dredge up to try and spin down a major policy success that doesn't have thousands of troops pouring into Syria with a snickering Wannabee Cowboy drawling 'with us or agin us' crap.

it ain't a Yugo and ya know it. It is the threat of the largest Navy in the world. Look how quickly Putin is backing down from 'defending' Syria with more Roosian ships to a fast frame work for removing Chemical Weapons.

As for the cartoons, I'm sure some CONs are popping chubbies but like the polls predicting Willard was going to win the Presidency- not very accurate...

But all the CONs can do right now is rant and wail, draw little pictures and pretend they are photographs....
 
I don't even recognize a King Obama.

And please, your arguments are a bunch of YT videos? That's...something.

Are you really not able to make the distinction between legitimate news and informative videos and joke videos ??

If not, how bad is it?? Are you among those who act as though the belief is that if it did not show on tv then it's not real??
 
Are you among those who act as though the belief is that if it did not show on tv then it's not real??

No, but I do know the kind of stuff that is put on Youtube.
 
Obama is firmly in the driver's seat, but of which car? The YUGO with no steering wheel or brakes? The one being towed by others of questionable motives and character? I'll let Joe Klein examine the escaped goo from Obama's Depends. Joe Klein... basically Debbie Wasserman Schultz with a little more polish, mixes fact with pretty-please "Hope". For him and others to write and state what they have of President Incompetent... they had little choice... everyone was watching the goo slowly seep from the pant leg across the floor and being flung about as Obama made his... Exh-it... Staage Leehft. That was being as diplomatic as a propagandist can be when everyone knows he flunked it big time.


Not sure where the quoted point ends and your comments begin...

But, I agree, Obama has been on the wrong side of this multi-faceted issue from the start (2+ years ago).

Just like bush was on the wrong side of virtually every issue throughout his time.

Laughing, oh the CONvoluted hot mess the hyper partisans have to dredge up to try and spin down a major policy success that doesn't have thousands of troops pouring into Syria with a snickering Wannabee Cowboy drawling 'with us or agin us' crap.

This is not a partisan issue, this is an issue of whether the country will remain a republic or become an outright empire (under Obama or the next guy, maybe even the guy after that)

On this issue, obamas people; Alquaida and all have been so sloppy in their attempts to "drag" a willing and eager Obama into a war to save his presidency that it was so obvious that even most democrats gave up on him.

Except for the real kool-aid drinkers (dot worry the "cons" have their own), who were actually giving arguments of committing war crimes and crimes agains humanity just to make Obama look good?!?!

it ain't a Yugo and ya know it. It is the threat of the largest Navy in the world. Look how quickly Putin is backing down from 'defending' Syria with more Roosian ships to a fast frame work for removing Chemical Weapons.

Actually, that trumped obamas (obvious to anyone that can see strategically) plan to wait until the deadline and pull some bush style diplomacy of demanding the target prove the negative (prove you don't have weapons) or we invade. By teaming with Russia, and the number of times the rebels have been caught in war crimes (including previous chemical attacks) has really killed what little credibility America had on the world stage.

As for the cartoons, I'm sure some CONs are popping chubbies but like the polls predicting Willard was going to win the Presidency- not very accurate...

But all the CONs can do right now is rant and wail, draw little pictures and pretend they are photographs....

What's sad in this is that people are supporting just on the basis of that they want to believe in Obama no matter what, especially after being lied to continuously.

Obama should be impeached for many of the same crimes that you were crying for bush to impeached for just a small number of years ago... Oh how we lose our morals when it's "our" guy running the show.
 
Yeah. So, no, in fact, you are not able to demonstrate how a strike against Assads' IADs and CW networks would inflame the whole region in war?

The threat comes from Russia and Iran.
 
The threat comes from Russia and Iran.

So it is your contention that if the U.S. were to launch air strikes against Syrian IADS and CW related infrastructure, that Iran and Russia would enter into a formal state of war with the United States?
 
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