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    Re: Assad tells Obama to stop arming rebels or no deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    President Putin called the US out for arming and otherwise supporting the terrorists. Not just in his op-ed at the NYT, but consistently over president Assad's 2-1/2 year war on terror within his borders.
    NTL, Assad never told Obama to stop arming rebels or no deal, did he?

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    Re: Assad tells Obama to stop arming rebels or no deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    i think some people would not see this as a defeat for American foreign policy.

    some would call it strategic restraint

    https://umdrive.memphis.edu/rblanton...ns_IS_1999.pdf

    sure. And those people would be free to describe to me the results of our "strategic restraint" following the 1983 Beiruit bombing and the pullout after the death of U.S. servicemembers in Somalia.

    Actually, they could'nt. Because they wrote that paper in 1999, and the results of our strategic restraint crashed into the twin towers two years later.

    Similarly, released papers from the people who took the hostages in Iran in 1979 have since revealed that they originally only intended to hold them for a few days to make a statement, figuring that by then the U.S. would have organized a response and it would be smater to avoid it... until our "strategic restraint" convinced them that no such respnose was coming (and much later, when it did, was disastrous). And so they decided to see what they could play out for.

    "Strategic Restraint" is a nice way of saying "ceding the battlespace but not wanting to call it a retreat". "Tactical Withdrawal" is a similar phrase for "got driven back or chased out". It demonstrates that the United States needs no longer be taken seriiously as a threat, and so, we won't be.
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    Re: Assad tells Obama to stop arming rebels or no deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    President Assad has been fighting his own war on terror, as he and Putin have pointed out repeatedly. There's no "good" guys in the opposition. And the Assad government is the recognised legitimate government of Syria.

    Oh really? When Assad armed, trained, equipped, and offered Al Qaeda in Iraq a strategic rest and support area in order to kill my friends, was that part of his "war on terror"?

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    Re: Assad tells Obama to stop arming rebels or no deal

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    So it is your contention that if the U.S. were to launch air strikes against Syrian IADS and CW related infrastructure, that Iran and Russia would enter into a formal state of war with the United States?

    Oh, I don't know about that. I just know that there are enough interests with skin in the game in that region that what Putin says is more credible than anything coming from the White House.

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    Re: Assad tells Obama to stop arming rebels or no deal

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Does Putin have evidence?

    Anyway, he's arming the terrorist.

    The evidence has been put up by AT LEAST a half dozen posters on this board in probably two dozen threads on this subject. But you keep ignoring it.

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    Re: Assad tells Obama to stop arming rebels or no deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Oh, I don't know about that. I just know that there are enough interests with skin in the game in that region that what Putin says is more credible than anything coming from the White House.
    So NO in fact, you have no credible way of demonstrating how U.S. strikes would have caused the region to erupt in war?

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    Re: Assad tells Obama to stop arming rebels or no deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    russia is one to talk: it has been supplying weapons to the assad regime.
    President Assad's government is the recognised and legitimate government of Syria, whether the US or you like it or not.

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    Re: Assad tells Obama to stop arming rebels or no deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    The evidence has been put up by AT LEAST a half dozen posters on this board in probably two dozen threads on this subject. But you keep ignoring it.
    So you cannot cite Putin's "evidence"?

    How many civilians has Assad killed?

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    Re: Assad tells Obama to stop arming rebels or no deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    President Assad's government is the recognised and legitimate government of Syria, whether the US or you like it or not.
    and what if the syrian people don't recognize Assad as legitimate?

    Assad only inherited the role of leader from his father: they were/are both dictators.

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    Re: Assad tells Obama to stop arming rebels or no deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    the people of syria don't view him as legitimate, that's the reason why they are rebelling against assad in the first place.
    This wasn't the popular uprising we saw in Tunisia, Egypt and elsewhere. President Assad has 70% support amongst the syrian people as recognised by NATO. This has been an extremist/militant uprising from the beginning and Putin has called the US and Obama out on it regularly and again in his NYT op-ed piece.

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