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    Re: Assad tells Obama to stop arming rebels or no deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    President Putin called the US out for arming and otherwise supporting the terrorists. Not just in his op-ed at the NYT, but consistently over president Assad's 2-1/2 year war on terror within his borders.
    Does Putin have evidence?

    Anyway, he's arming the terrorist.

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    Re: Assad tells Obama to stop arming rebels or no deal

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    I want some of what your taking to see all that. Fact is Putin and Assad are toeing the line after huffing and puffing.


    Russia pulled this exact same trick with us with Iran and Obama fell for it then too. Russia isn't even complying with its' commitments to destroy its' OWN chemical weapons, the likelihood of Assad keeping ahold of a portion of his stockpile while giving the Russians a portion approaches 100%, and we look like feckless weak-horses to friend and foe alike across the Middle East and indeed the Globe. Assad went from being the next guy to join Hitler on the ash heap of history to a partner for peace in the matter of a couple of weeks because it turned out that bombing him would have been unpopular, and so Obama backed down.

    But why in the world would they toe the line? Putin just succeeded in staring down Obama in his own back yard, and Assad is fully aware that domestic political considerations will keep Obama from being willing to launch an actual strike against him, no matter what he does. Both of them know that Obama will now spend the next couple of months trying desperately to pivot to other subjects, and leave them free to do whatever they want in Syria. I'm a big fan of finding silver linings, but there is nothing about this that is win, dude.
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    Re: Assad tells Obama to stop arming rebels or no deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    President Putin called the US out for arming and otherwise supporting the terrorists. Not just in his op-ed at the NYT, but consistently over president Assad's 2-1/2 year war on terror within his borders.
    russia is one to talk: it has been supplying weapons to the assad regime.

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    Re: Assad tells Obama to stop arming rebels or no deal

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    That is incorrect. He wishes to disarm and subsequently eliminate the opposition in his own country. Assad is in fact quite amiable towards terrorists and the elements that harbor them, so long as none dare question his rule.
    President Assad has been fighting his own war on terror, as he and Putin have pointed out repeatedly. There's no "good" guys in the opposition. And the Assad government is the recognised legitimate government of Syria.

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    Re: Assad tells Obama to stop arming rebels or no deal

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    That is absolutely absurd. Not only your pigeon holing in the form of labeling the entire opposition as Al-Qaeda sympathizers and actors, but in ignoring the fact that Obama has made decimating Al-Qaeda perhaps the top priority of his foreign policy. If Obama was in fact hellbent on handing over the country to the opposition, he would have likely stepped up both financial and military aid to the rebels a great deal sooner. The reality is that Obama has attempted to maintain a relatively benign position throughout the conflict, to the disappointment of many.
    Wow! You are in the dark. Terrorists have been put in charge in Egypt, Libya and he's trying in Syria.

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    Re: Assad tells Obama to stop arming rebels or no deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    President Assad has been fighting his own war on terror, as he and Putin have pointed out repeatedly. There's no "good" guys in the opposition. And the Assad government is the recognised legitimate government of Syria.
    the people of syria don't view him as legitimate, that's the reason why they are rebelling against assad in the first place.

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    Re: Assad tells Obama to stop arming rebels or no deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    President Assad has been fighting his own war on terror, as he and Putin have pointed out repeatedly.
    To the contrary, he's been waging war against opposition to his supreme rule. As pointed out previously, he is in fact quite comfortable with alligning himself with both supporters of and actual terrorist groups.

    There's no "good" guys in the opposition.
    A tired canard that serves only to excuse inaction. Given your blind faith in both Assad and Putin, I'd sincerely doubt your objectivity or accuracy on this matter.

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    Re: Assad tells Obama to stop arming rebels or no deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    President Assad has been fighting his own war on terror, as he and Putin have pointed out repeatedly.
    How many civilians do you think Assad has killed?

    There's no "good" guys in the opposition.
    All evidence is against you. Where do you get this information?

    And the Assad government is the recognised legitimate government of Syria.
    Not by the US, France and England (among others).

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    Re: Assad tells Obama to stop arming rebels or no deal

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    Kerry lies!

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    Re: Assad tells Obama to stop arming rebels or no deal

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    Russia pulled this exact same trick with us with Iran and Obama fell for it then too. Russia isn't even complying with its' commitments to destroy its' OWN chemical weapons, the likelihood of Assad keeping ahold of a portion of his stockpile while giving the Russians a portion approaches 100%, and we look like feckless weak-horses to friend and foe alike across the Middle East and indeed the Globe. Assad went from being the next guy to join Hitler on the ash heap of history to a partner for peace in the matter of a couple of weeks because it turned out that bombing him would have been unpopular, and so Obama backed down.

    But why in the world would they toe the line? Putin just succeeded in staring down Obama in his own back yard, and Assad is fully aware that domestic political considerations will keep Obama from being willing to launch an actual strike against him, no matter what he does. Both of them know that Obama will now spend the next couple of months trying desperately to pivot to other subjects, and leave them free to do whatever they want in Syria. I'm a big fan of finding silver linings, but there is nothing about this that is win, dude.
    i think some people would not see this as a defeat for American foreign policy.

    some would call it strategic restraint

    https://umdrive.memphis.edu/rblanton...ns_IS_1999.pdf

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