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    Re: Assad tells Obama to stop arming rebels or no deal

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Looks like you were just proven to be not only wrong.....but a liar as well.
    Yeah, sure.

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    Re: Assad tells Obama to stop arming rebels or no deal

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Yeah, sure.
    Yeah I know.....those links with the Words.....Associated Press, Reuters, UPI, that I just put up that are my threads on this site and validate what I am saying.

    Once again leaves you looking.....Well, Uhm, <yawn> Like you just got set up and were left holding an empty bag of Good Guys. I know it is hard for you to take but facts are facts so <which yours are almost nonexistent>.....Deal with it!

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    Re: Assad tells Obama to stop arming rebels or no deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    President Obama must promise not to arm rebel forces or Syrian dictator Bashar Assad will not hand over his chemical weapons, the embattled leader told a Russian state media outlet today while demanding that Israel also surrender its nuclear arsenal.

    “When we see that the U.S. genuinely stands for stability in our region, stops threatening us with military intervention and stops supplying terrorists with weapons, then we will consider it possible to finalize all necessary procedures and they will become legitimate and acceptable for Syria," Assad told RIA News.







    Assad tells Obama to stop arming rebels, or no deal | WashingtonExaminer.com



    Anyone who thinks that Israel will ever give up any weapons is living in a dream world.

    It's not going to happen.

    And you can bet that the USA will continue supplying arms to whoever it wants to supply arms to.

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    Re: Assad tells Obama to stop arming rebels or no deal

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    I've provided references to secretary Kerry, president Obama and the UN.

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    Why do you give the administration your trust now on this issue? What has it done to earn your trust on foreign policy and knowing whats best for Syria?
    Fast and Furious?
    Benghazi?
    Obama's trips to the ME where bowed down to the Saudi king like dhimmi?
    The reset button with Russia? What are we in kindergarten?

    And how can you not see that main bulk of the rebel army is islamist.

    Maybe, maybe, the first protests in Syria 2.5 years ago were democratic protests, genuine democratic protests. But like in Egypt the first time they sprung out, they were galvanized and radicalized by the islamists. Same in Syria. If Assad had stepped down when the protests started in Syria years ago they would have had another Morsi in Syria, not a freedom loving person.

    -But Rainman, they may have had a Morsi in Syria, but at least they wouldn't have a civil war!
    True, that is a valid statement. But don't discount egypt going under soon enough. You have the entire Sinai region under islamist jihadi control and the military has been weakend.

    Anyway, back to Syria.
    The reason the FSA has kept making comebacks is because of arab league sponsorships in both manpower and weapons.
    This is them coming out of the closet: Arab League support for arming Syrian rebels 'logical' - SYRIA - FRANCE 24
    But they have been sponsoring jihad in Syria since 2011 when they suspended Syria from the arab league.

    Of course they will support the disarmament movement. Not because they care if Assad used chemical weapons but because any tool that Assad doesn't have is a pro for them. The jihadists are legion and more keep pouring in every day. they form the bulk of the FSA and other rebel groups.

    The only good solution to a peaceful Syria is if a western coalition goes in, wipes the floor with all involved and then organizes fair elections between a limited pool of true democrat reformers. Because if they do allow free and open elections, with over 60-70% of the population being sunni, most likely they'll get a Morsi. And NOBODY wants a Morsi. Not even Morsi wants to be a Morsi.
    At least under the Assad dynasty, the economy of Syria has seen consistent improvement and tolerance for all faiths was well established. Maybe alawites had some privileges, but at least nobody was denied their basic rights... and there were no stonings for adulterous women permitted and no marriages between 40yrs old men and 8yrs girls.
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    Re: Assad tells Obama to stop arming rebels or no deal

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Anyone who thinks that Israel will ever give up any weapons is living in a dream world.

    It's not going to happen.

    And you can bet that the USA will continue supplying arms to whoever it wants to supply arms to.
    They (USA maybe and Arab league for sure, with some support from other natiosn)are arming the islamists.
    Look at Egypt as an example.
    You think that will bring peace to the region? Morsi is a fanatic, a islamist fanatic.
    At least Mubarak could be paid for to keep the peace and he was a secularist. That's why he never declared war on anyone since he came in power in 1980 if memory serves.
    Anyway. So lets say 1980, Mubarak comes in real power. How many wars did Mubarak start against Israel? None in 30years. Peace. How many did his predecessors do 30 years before?
    at least 3 + sponsored terrorist camps and attacks.

    And now Morsi supporters hold Sinai.

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    Re: Assad tells Obama to stop arming rebels or no deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Rainman05 View Post
    They (USA maybe and Arab league for sure, with some support from other natiosn)are arming the islamists.
    Look at Egypt as an example.
    You think that will bring peace to the region?
    Morsi is a fanatic, a islamist fanatic.
    At least Mubarak could be paid for to keep the peace and he was a secularist. That's why he never declared war on anyone since he came in power in 1980 if memory serves.
    Anyway. So lets say 1980, Mubarak comes in real power. How many wars did Mubarak start against Israel? None in 30years. Peace. How many did his predecessors do 30 years before?
    at least 3 + sponsored terrorist camps and attacks.

    And now Morsi supporters hold Sinai.



    It will be a long time before there is peace in Syria.

    No matter which side 'wins' the civil/religious war there it won't be good for that region or the world.

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    Re: Assad tells Obama to stop arming rebels or no deal

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    It will be a long time before there is peace in Syria.

    No matter which side 'wins' the civil/religious war there it won't be good for that region or the world.
    That may be true, but at least let the chips fall where they may.

    I'm not saying assad is a good catch, but who is to replace him? One of the people sitting on the council of the FSA? Each one of them is a known bloody terrorist or a deserter from the Syrian army.

    The reality is that there is "good team". Sure, no involvement is a course of action and it's the 2nd best one. It's better than taking a side. But I still maintain that the best option is to go in a united coalition of western powers, quickly wipe the floor with all military forces, loyalist and rebels, and then institute a new democracy.

    Now of course Russia won't ever accept that unless the new guy will be as friendly to them as the old guy. There in lie the catch see.

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    Re: Assad tells Obama to stop arming rebels or no deal

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    Even though they were defending their country, how was helping Islamic radicals in Afghanistan and the problems that would cause unforeseen?
    You mean someone predicted that an militant from a wealthy family would develop a dislike of foreigners from his time in Afghanistan, and that later our Ally would invade a neutral country next to the militants country of birth, and that the militant would at that point gathered a group of fighters that he then offered to defend his homeland only to have it turned down by our offer of assistance, and that he would use this as justification for a terrorist attack?

    We had no particular national interest in the struggle.
    The US was ideologically opposed to the spread of communism.


    We didn't get involved in the struggle between China and Tibet, why Afghanistan?
    We didn't have the opportunity or the means.

    Both sides have chemical weapons.
    At best, rebel control of chemical weapons is disputed.
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    Re: Assad tells Obama to stop arming rebels or no deal

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    That majority of the FSA are made up of Defectors/Traitors,
    Actually, if I recall correctly most are civilians that took up arms.

    which happened to be mostly Sunni. The same Sunni that Assad allowed into Command positions with in his Armed Forces. The Sunni in which they systematically kill Shia. Then go after Christians. Who btw way Are standing with Assad and not the Rebels/ Terrorists.
    The FSA has stated they do not view this as a Sectarian conflict.

    Assad is an Alawite and they are tied to the Shia.
    The FSA has Alawite fighters within their ranks.

    Moreover they have come out and stated that No Alawites will be allowed in any shaping of the Future of Syria. They will not be allowed to be in government.
    “But there will be no reprisals, as we also have Alawites in our ranks who oppose the [Bashar] al-Assad regime,” Al-Aday , FSA Officer

    To top that off......Al Nusra which has 30 opposition brigades, Councils and civilian committees. Have stated they do not recognize the FSA nor the STNC. That the FSA and STNC will not be deciding anything about the Future of Syria. Which now they just Gangster the FSA and take what they want.
    They are still outnumbered by the 80,000 strong FSA.
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    Re: Assad tells Obama to stop arming rebels or no deal

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    <<<<<Sends out Town Crier......Hereye hereye.....Come one and come all.....Check out the game.....of facts and fictions.


    MMC. <<<<<Facts and smack talk.

    ECO. <<<<<Fiction, made up Hyperbole, deflection and tangent.

    Match Point.....Game, Set, and Title. Goes to MMC!!!!!


    NEXT!
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