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    Re: Assad tells Obama to stop arming rebels or no deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Jredbaron96 View Post
    That's demonstratively false.

    The Free Syrian Army is 80,000 strong, making it the largest faction in the Syrian opposition. It's made up of several secular, moderate Muslim elements that have even been fighting with more radical elements, like the Al Nusar front. To claim that there are no good guys is just plain wrong.
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    Re: Assad tells Obama to stop arming rebels or no deal

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    Your article claimed that NBC themselves dispelled the notion of the existence of the FSA all together, when in fact the actual quote cited concerns about extremists within the FSA. Somewhat contradictory, yes?

    It's not contradictory to understand that the forces fighting against Assad include supporters of AlQaeda and foreign fighters. To me, that makes the term Free Syrian Army a myth. It's just a coalition of fighters who dislike Assad, foreigners and supporters of a terrorist organization. We are making the same mistake in Syria that we did in the 80's in Afghanistan when the mujahadeen including Bin Laden fought the Russians. The old axiom the enemy of my enemy is my friend is wrong and we should be very careful who we arm in a conflict that we have no business being involved in.

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    Re: Assad tells Obama to stop arming rebels or no deal

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    It's not contradictory to understand that the forces fighting against Assad include supporters of AlQaeda and foreign fighters. To me, that makes the term Free Syrian Army a myth. It's just a coalition of fighters who dislike Assad, foreigners and supporters of a terrorist organization. We are making the same mistake in Syria that we did in the 80's in Afghanistan when the mujahadeen including Bin Laden fought the Russians. The old axiom the enemy of my enemy is my friend is wrong and we should be very careful who we arm in a conflict that we have no business being involved in.
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    Re: Assad tells Obama to stop arming rebels or no deal

    Yea, there's a video of a Free Syrian Army officer cutting the heart out of one of Assad's soldiers and eating it. This is the same group that McCain is in love with and the side Obama has chosen for us to back. I have two wishes. First, retire McCain, second learn from our mistakes.

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    Re: Assad tells Obama to stop arming rebels or no deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Invisible View Post
    This is a no win situation for the US. If we help the rebels, we risk the extremists coming in. We should just mind our own business for once.
    I can understand the argument "not our problem, not our business, stay out."

    I can't buy the argument "If we help the rebels, we risk the extremists coming in". Assad is a ruthless, brutal dictator who is already supported by Iran, Hezbollah and Hamas. Are they considered "the good guys now?"

    If not, why do people insist on using that particular argument?

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    Re: Assad tells Obama to stop arming rebels or no deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity View Post
    I can understand the argument "not our problem, not our business, stay out."

    I can't buy the argument "If we help the rebels, we risk the extremists coming in". Assad is a ruthless, brutal dictator who is already supported by Iran, Hezbollah and Hamas. Are they considered "the good guys now?"

    If not, why do people insist on using that particular argument?
    On the rebels side its Al-Qaeda, on the Assad's side is Hezbollah and Hamas and Iran. It seems if you want in you need kick both and empower the middle - the civilians.
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    Re: Assad tells Obama to stop arming rebels or no deal

    What was the point of posting those links? If I was asked, I could've.
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    Re: Assad tells Obama to stop arming rebels or no deal

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    Had you bothered to follow the link in the piece you would have read this.



    No kidding. From NBC, no conservative bastion.
    All the NBC quote says is that there are extremist groups in the Syrian opposition. Yes, some FSA forces are aligning themselves with Islamist forces. That doesn't mean all of them are.

    If a member of the American military shoots unarmed civilians, does that mean all American military personnel shoot unarmed civilians?
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    Re: Assad tells Obama to stop arming rebels or no deal

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    To me, that makes the term Free Syrian Army a myth.
    Well then buddy, you're lying to yourself. Just because there are extremist elements within the FSA does not mean all of them are extremist. The Al Nusar front killed two FSA officers a few months back. Does that sound like that actions of two closely aligned allies?
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    Re: Assad tells Obama to stop arming rebels or no deal

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity View Post
    I can understand the argument "not our problem, not our business, stay out."

    I can't buy the argument "If we help the rebels, we risk the extremists coming in". Assad is a ruthless, brutal dictator who is already supported by Iran, Hezbollah and Hamas. Are they considered "the good guys now?"

    If not, why do people insist on using that particular argument?
    I am not saying that Assad and co are the "good guys," however, the jihadists are the main fighting force of the rebels. If we aid the rebels (as we are currently doing) and overthrow Assad, we risk the rebels coming into the new government. The rebels are extremely fractured and thus we should be cautious about aiding them.

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    And under what category would you place Assad? All this talk about the potential for extremists to gain hold of power, all while an individual with access to large arms and chemical weaponry and robust ties to both Hezbollah and Iran, the two most prominent supporters of terror in the region, is slaughtering his own citizenry and displacing scores of refugees into neighboring allies. The idea that a relatively disjointed opposition could inflict the same amount of instability and damage to the region is quite frankly naive.
    To the bolded: I never said that or even remotely implied it.


    Both of you are essentially arguing that I am trying to frame Assad and co as "the good guys" when I have done nothing of the sort whatsoever. I have consistently stated that I dislike both Assad and the rebels. I don't think that I appreciated your framing my words this way. Both of you are essentially putting words in my mouth.
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