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    Politico: Gop's obamacare quandary

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    Senate Republicans still haven’t figured out how to defund Obamacare and keep funding the government.

    Competing factions of the party are arguing over just how aggressive they should be in seeking to dismantle the health care law.

    On one side, about one-third of the 46-member Republican Conference has signed on to a strategy to oppose any spending bill that contains Obamacare funding — a tally that has sputtered of late and remains stuck at 14.

    On the other, a large chunk of Senate Republicans has turned its back on that strategy, arguing it could once again paint the GOP as the “government shutdown party” as the country careens toward a Sept. 30 deadline to keep the government funded.

    The Senate’s discord is spilling over to the House, where Republican leaders thought they could satisfy both camps by forcing the Senate to take two separate votes: one on a continuing resolution that would keep the government running into December and another on defunding Obamacare.

    But opposition to that plan fueled by Sens. Ted Cruz of Texas and Mike Lee of Utah caused a rebellion among House conservatives, delaying a vote on the House measure.

    “They’re screwing us,” fumed a House GOP aide who had hoped that giving Senate Republicans yet another opportunity to unanimously oppose Obamacare would be enough to satisfy two of the most prominent Senate conservatives.
    now i don't understand the game plan here of conservatives like Ted Cruz and Mike Lee. No democrat would support a bill that funds the government but defunds obamacare. can someone explain to me why anyone would think that making defunding obamacare the price for allowing the government to be funded possibly work?

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    Re: Politico: Gop's obamacare quandary

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    now i don't understand the game plan here of conservatives like Ted Cruz and Mike Lee. No democrat would support a bill that funds the government but defunds obamacare. can someone explain to me why anyone would think that making defunding obamacare the price for allowing the government to be funded possibly work?
    I would hope that any senator R or D who realizes what a cluster****
    Obamacare is would vote to defund it perhaps with meaningful
    agreement to revisit the parts that most are in agreement with.

    In clarification I'm speaking of the 26 yr olds on parents insurance.
    Also the preexisting conditions clause,I can see that many are in favor of it.
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    Preaching to the choir? It is my personal opinion anyone in higher leadership positions, even the Republicans, absolutely knows there will be some form of UHC in this cournty sooner rather than later. Cruz and the others are just pretending to resist and probably have some healthcare corporate sponsers still banking as much as possible. But they know. I think Obamacare is a done deal and a more pure form of UHC is on the way.
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    now i don't understand the game plan here of conservatives like Ted Cruz and Mike Lee. No democrat would support a bill that funds the government but defunds obamacare. can someone explain to me why anyone would think that making defunding obamacare the price for allowing the government to be funded possibly work?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Preaching to the choir? It is my personal opinion anyone in higher leadership positions, even the Republicans, absolutely knows there will be some form of UHC in this cournty sooner rather than later. Cruz and the others are just pretending to resist and probably have some healthcare corporate sponsers still banking as much as possible. But they know. I think Obamacare is a done deal and a more pure form of UHC is on the way.
    yeah but i find it annoying that very few people actaully talk about this on this forum.

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    They get so worked up.
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    yeah but i find it annoying that very few people actaully talk about this on this forum.
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    Re: Politico: Gop's obamacare quandary

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    now i don't understand the game plan here of conservatives like Ted Cruz and Mike Lee. No democrat would support a bill that funds the government but defunds obamacare. can someone explain to me why anyone would think that making defunding obamacare the price for allowing the government to be funded possibly work?
    There is no game plan. This isn't about actually defunding or delaying Obamacare, which they obviously don't have the leverage to do.

    This is about playing to the rightwing base. A whole cottage industry has sprung up around telling those folks what they want to hear, reality be damned (for the most amusing example, see the "unskewed polls" nonsense from last year that led so many to, absurdly, expect a Romney landslide ).

    Or as one Republican put it pretty succinctly yesterday:
    “I think it was good for their presidential ambitions, but it’s not a realistic plan. I’m pretty sure their email lists got built [up],” Sen. Mike Johanns (R-Neb.) told The Hill on Wednesday.

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    Re: Politico: Gop's obamacare quandary

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    Preaching to the choir? It is my personal opinion anyone in higher leadership positions, even the Republicans, absolutely knows there will be some form of UHC in this cournty sooner rather than later. Cruz and the others are just pretending to resist and probably have some healthcare corporate sponsers still banking as much as possible. But they know. I think Obamacare is a done deal and a more pure form of UHC is on the way.
    I don't think Obamacare will survive the next Presidential term, I agree though that UHC will, as it's something both parties actually support....just in a better way.
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    Re: Politico: Gop's obamacare quandary

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    now i don't understand the game plan here of conservatives like Ted Cruz and Mike Lee. No democrat would support a bill that funds the government but defunds obamacare. can someone explain to me why anyone would think that making defunding obamacare the price for allowing the government to be funded possibly work?
    It is actually pretty easy. they do not run countrywide campaigns. They only have to please the ignorant slime infesting their districts which means they can be extreme and the people who matter, their electorate, will be happy they sunk america out of spite. It is one of the weaknesses of a voting system which regional interests are much more important than national issues, and voters have been systematically made more ignorant and stupid by religion and blue collar patriotism that sees intelligence as evil.

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    Politico: Gop's obamacare quandary

    Quote Originally Posted by penn1954 View Post
    I would hope that any senator R or D who realizes what a cluster****
    Obamacare is would vote to defund it perhaps with meaningful
    agreement to revisit the parts that most are in agreement with.

    In clarification I'm speaking of the 26 yr olds on parents insurance.
    Also the preexisting conditions clause,I can see that many are in favor of it.
    I love the current Conservative position on Obamacare. Keep the good stuff ( that costs money) and ditch that other stuff that pays for the good stuff.

    Classic. That's the stuff you can expect to see in the future if the GOP ever comes back into power, folks. Just like 2000-2004. Spend and don't-tax, and then blame the debt on the next guy!!
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