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    Re: Putin uses NYT Op-Ed to warn US against Syria strike

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    I think for Putin assuming the role of USA's President and having to address USA's people is disrespectful enough.



    Required because Russia can veto it. In the meanwhile civilians die from dictators that Russians support. There has to be a way around this and the USA uses it.



    Because those nations use brute force against civilians.



    Al-Qaeda, Al-Nusra, and some other independent groups are declared terrorists. The rebels themselves are fighting for freedom against Assad's regime.



    Exactly, just pile up what the USA did, put a different tone to it, and you have a vision that USA is the bully instead! It is not Assad that shoots civilians or that orders chemical weapon attacks on them that it is the bully. Nah, that is normal. Wanting to intervene for humane causes and support human's rights as well as other United Nation's red lines is in fact bullying - is what Putin's propaganda there is all about.

    You see there is plenty of stuff to argue with these. Starting from, why do you fall for rival propaganda as easily? I mean I could understand putting both perspectives into the table and analyze and critically evaluate the two sources. But what you have done throughout this thread is only point out moves from the Russian's perspective! Why is that?

    I can see you are unaware of the history of US atrocities, and haven't seen or else ignored all my posts on the Syria topic in a couple dozen threads so far.

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    Re: Putin uses NYT Op-Ed to warn US against Syria strike

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    Except that Assad is the terror? He shot his civilians, schoolchildren and their weeping parents?

    You have faith in Putin I see? His speech got to you did it not?
    The civilian toll is the result of both parties' conduct. From the UN report released on September 11:

    Government and pro-government forces have continued to conduct widespread attacks on the civilian population, committing murder, torture, rape and enforced disappearance as crimes against humanity. They have laid siege to neighbourhoods and subjected them to indiscriminate shelling. Government forces have committed gross violations of human rights and the war crimes of torture, hostage-taking, murder, execution without due process, rape, attacking protected objects and pillage.

    Anti-government armed groups have committed war crimes, including murder, execution without due process, torture, hostage-taking and attacking protected objects. They have besieged and indiscriminately shelled civilian neighbourhoods.

    Anti-government and Kurdish armed groups have recruited and used child soldiers in hostilities.

    The perpetrators of these violations and crimes, on all sides, act in defiance of international law.

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    Re: Putin uses NYT Op-Ed to warn US against Syria strike

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I'm on the side of the entire civilian population in the ME.
    Why would Putin care about them out of the blue? He has never carried about what happens to civilians while he supported previous leaders such as for instance Milloschevich? Why would he care of civilians now?
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    Re: Putin uses NYT Op-Ed to warn US against Syria strike

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    And you know that how?
    This is the exact question Putin made. If there are facts they should be presented right? Well some could cost you good sources and hence should not!
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    Re: Putin uses NYT Op-Ed to warn US against Syria strike

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    At this point he would be more deserving.
    Traitor!
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    Re: Putin uses NYT Op-Ed to warn US against Syria strike

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I can see you are unaware of the history of US atrocities, and haven't seen or else ignored all my posts on the Syria topic in a couple dozen threads so far.
    Why are you with the Russians?
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    Re: Putin uses NYT Op-Ed to warn US against Syria strike

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    The civilian toll is the result of both parties' conduct. From the UN report released on September 11:

    Government and pro-government forces have continued to conduct widespread attacks on the civilian population, committing murder, torture, rape and enforced disappearance as crimes against humanity. They have laid siege to neighbourhoods and subjected them to indiscriminate shelling. Government forces have committed gross violations of human rights and the war crimes of torture, hostage-taking, murder, execution without due process, rape, attacking protected objects and pillage.

    Anti-government armed groups have committed war crimes, including murder, execution without due process, torture, hostage-taking and attacking protected objects. They have besieged and indiscriminately shelled civilian neighbourhoods.

    Anti-government and Kurdish armed groups have recruited and used child soldiers in hostilities.

    The perpetrators of these violations and crimes, on all sides, act in defiance of international law.
    The statement "both sides have committed atrocities" is always vague and aimed at pushing the curious parties away from the conflict. You see no one wants to hear details after such a statement. It is assumed that casualties are taken on both sides equally, 50%.

    This is nearly never the case! If Assad systematically conducts atrocities to say thousands of civilians, and the rebels retaliate by killing only 1, the statement that "both sides committed atrocities" could still hold. If the reverse is to occur then the statement still holds.

    What should be done is see which party is victimized most, and it is always the civilians! It is those that should be supported, their oppressors kicked (on any side they may come), empowered into a throne democratically, and then the ones who did atrocities to be indicted to a proper legal court. Never fall for the statement "well the two sides have blood on their hands" for it always undermines the amount, the methods, the details, that were used.
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    Re: Putin uses NYT Op-Ed to warn US against Syria strike

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    Why would Putin care about them out of the blue? He has never carried about what happens to civilians while he supported previous leaders such as for instance Milloschevich? Why would he care of civilians now?
    I didn't say Putin. You asked which side am I on.

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    Re: Putin uses NYT Op-Ed to warn US against Syria strike

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    I didn't say Putin. You asked which side am I on.
    You present perspectives that favors him far more than the reverse may be the case!
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    Re: Putin uses NYT Op-Ed to warn US against Syria strike

    Quote Originally Posted by DDD View Post
    This is the exact question Putin made. If there are facts they should be presented right? Well some could cost you good sources and hence should not!

    That's also an easy out for the government that has no proof.

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