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US Police arrest Florida pastor

He transported 3000 books soaked in kerosene and open carried a firearm (which I dont get but...) both of which are illegal and one is a felony so...there is that. Then the guy pulling the trailer didnt bother getting it registered. Dont sound like a speech thing, sounds more like a stupid wanna get headlines in the right wing blogosphere thing.
davidtaylorjr said:
His burning texts do not put anyone at risk, the over-reporting of it, and making it a big deal does. The media should be responsible. Besides, if the media wasn't making a stink about it, people in the Middle East wouldn't even know. That being said, the idea that the middle east erupts over one person is ridiculous, they are going to kill us either way.
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mak2 said:
He transported 3000 books soaked in kerosene and open carried a firearm (which I dont get but...) both of which are illegal and one is a felony so...there is that. Then the guy pulling the trailer didnt bother getting it registered. Dont sound like a speech thing, sounds more like a stupid wanna get headlines in the right wing blogosphere thing.
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now, this actually makes sense

the "pastor" wanted to be arrested to publicize his animosity against moslems

and pretends legitimate detainment is actually based on his opposition to the islamic faith

not unlike someone committing a real crime and then insisting they were only arrested because of their [fill in the blank] race/ethnicity

*unsubscribed*
at least until a better argument is presented
 
He was not in a public park, he was towing a bbq grill on a public road.

The officers apparently did not like his bbq starter or the day.

Now, if he had been towing a load of US flags on the 4th. That would have been legal.
 
sangha said:
and his openly carrying a firearm

Did you read the links that have been posted?
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read them?

i have been too busy burning them
 
mak2 said:
He transported 3000 books soaked in kerosene and open carried a firearm (which I dont get but...) both of which are illegal and one is a felony so...there is that. Then the guy pulling the trailer didnt bother getting it registered. Dont sound like a speech thing, sounds more like a stupid wanna get headlines in the right wing blogosphere thing.
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Then why wouldn't they say that up front? Why do they need to wait until the next day for a press conference?
 
Higgins86 said:
Pastor arrested before he could burn Qurans


Glad they could stop this dickhead before he cost more life's.
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This may already have been said, but it seems odd to me that Americans have a constitutionally protected right, as upheld by the Supreme Court, to burn the American Flag, but you get arrested for "potentially" burning Muslim holy books. Just curious - anyone think that the pastor would be arrested if he said he was going to burn bibles?
 
They did in the local news source. That is the problem with the right wing blogoshpere, there is usually so little of the truth it is not recognizeable. Whenever I see a story like this I look it up in the local paper, the RWblogosphere always leaves out the other (at least) half of the story.
davidtaylorjr said:
Then why wouldn't they say that up front? Why do they need to wait until the next day for a press conference?
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Muhammed said:
I'm pretty confident that it's illegal in all 50 states.
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Koran's are private property. We can do with our private property what we wish. We are free to burn flags, bibles korans, copies of the constitution and anything else we wish as long as we do it on private property and have burn permits in areas which are fire hazards.

We have no state sponsored religion and religious texts only have significance for those people who hold them in high regard. Personally, I could care less if this reverend set fire to the Korans. To me they are just words on paper. If I had an outhouse they could be next to the sears catalogue. It's legal to wipe your ass with anything you wish as well.
 
CanadaJohn said:
but you get arrested for "potentially" burning Muslim holy books. Just curious - anyone think that the pastor would be arrested if he said he was going to burn bibles?
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He wasn't arrested for "potentially burning Muslim holy books"
 
Not what he was arrested for.
sawdust said:
Koran's are private property. We can do with our private property what we wish. We are free to burn flags, bibles korans, copies of the constitution and anything else we wish as long as we do it on private property and have burn permits in areas which are fire hazards.

We have no state sponsored religion and religious texts only have significance for those people who hold them in high regard. Personally, I could care less if this reverend set fire to the Korans. To me they are just words on paper. If I had an outhouse they could be next to the sears catalogue. It's legal to wipe your ass with anything you wish as well.
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mak2 said:
They did in the local news source. That is the problem with the right wing blogoshpere, there is usually so little of the truth it is not recognizeable. Whenever I see a story like this I look it up in the local paper, the RWblogosphere always leaves out the other (at least) half of the story.
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The article linked in the OP is from MSN - is MSN a member of the right wing blogosphere?
 
mak2 said:
Not what he was arrested for.
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From the article in the OP:

Mulberry's mayor, along with area elected officials, a sheriff's deputy and several Polk County residents, have talked about the need to express love and tolerance for all faiths on Sept. 11.

Seems to me that would indicate clearly why the pastor was arrested but that may not be the actual charges, trumped up or otherwise, that he actually faces.
 
You have to go to a local news source, I did not check them all, but the first local one I checked listed the facts, you know, like what he was arrested for.
CanadaJohn said:
The article linked in the OP is from MSN - is MSN a member of the right wing blogosphere?
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They did tell the local news source. Read my link.
CanadaJohn said:
From the article in the OP:

Mulberry's mayor, along with area elected officials, a sheriff's deputy and several Polk County residents, have talked about the need to express love and tolerance for all faiths on Sept. 11.

Seems to me that would indicate clearly why the pastor was arrested but that may not be the actual charges, trumped up or otherwise, that he actually faces.
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mak2 said:
They did tell the local news source. Read my link.
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In case it wasn't clear, my point was simply that with the town's mayor, several elected officials, a sheriff's deputy and several residents all opposed to the pastor burning qurans in their nice little village, you can bet that the police were told to be on the lookout for him and to be sure to find something to arrest and charge him with so he can't carry out what he plans on carrying out. It's idiotic, in my view, to suggest that the reason he was arrested had nothing to do with his intent - that's just dishonest on its face.
 
mak2 said:
You have to go to a local news source, I did not check them all, but the first local one I checked listed the facts, you know, like what he was arrested for.
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What he was arrested for and what he was really arrested for are two different things. He was arrested for that which he COULD be arrested for by those who would have looked the other way were he not trying to burn the Korans. I think people are being awfully naïve if they think what he was trying to do didn't play into it.
 
Ok. Disregard the facts. Yes, I am sure they were just picking on him for wanting to burn Korans. It is a damn lie to think anything else. It is stupid of me.
CanadaJohn said:
In case it wasn't clear, my point was simply that with the town's mayor, several elected officials, a sheriff's deputy and several residents all opposed to the pastor burning qurans in their nice little village, you can bet that the police were told to be on the lookout for him and to be sure to find something to arrest and charge him with so he can't carry out what he plans on carrying out. It's idiotic, in my view, to suggest that the reason he was arrested had nothing to do with his intent - that's just dishonest on its face.
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Gardener said:
What he was arrested for and what he was really arrested for are two different things. He was arrested for that which he COULD be arrested for by those who would have looked the other way were he not trying to burn the Korans. I think people are being awfully naïve if they think what he was trying to do didn't play into it.
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The sheriff had refused him a permit to set a bonfire in the park.
 
CanadaJohn said:
In case it wasn't clear, my point was simply that with the town's mayor, several elected officials, a sheriff's deputy and several residents all opposed to the pastor burning qurans in their nice little village, you can bet that the police were told to be on the lookout for him and to be sure to find something to arrest and charge him with so he can't carry out what he plans on carrying out. It's idiotic, in my view, to suggest that the reason he was arrested had nothing to do with his intent - that's just dishonest on its face.
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And it's dishonest to go after Mafia and drug kingpins for tax evasion when the real intent is to put criminals behind bars.

It's just so dishonest
 
Gardener said:
What he was arrested for and what he was really arrested for are two different things. He was arrested for that which he COULD be arrested for by those who would have looked the other way were he not trying to burn the Korans. I think people are being awfully naïve if they think what he was trying to do didn't play into it.
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i also see the reverse potentially being present
no one was paying attention
he would burn those books without an audience, if he obtained the requisite fire burning permit
and if he adhered to the local laws governing the possession of arms
so, to gain an audience - witness this thread - he defies authorities
and pretends the estoppel of his action is based on the korans to be burned rather than his non-compliance with the burning and weapons laws
 
mak2 said:
His felony occured on the way to the park.
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He was arrested for misdemeanor open carry of a fire arm and improper trailer registration. Honestly if it weren't for his plans to burn the books, they would have let him off with a warning, or they may not have been targeting him at all.
 
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