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US Police arrest Florida pastor

tererun said:
Are you afraid of free speech? because i am not.
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He was headed for a public park and openly carrying a gun..

Neither has anything to do with free speech.
 
Sharona said:
He was headed for a public park and openly carrying a gun..
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It is legal in many places to carry a gun. Also, i can light up a BBQ in many public parks without any problem and cook. Yes, 3000 books was probably well beyond what you are legally allowed to burn in a public park, and carting a BBQ around with kerosene drenched books sounds like it violates fire codes, but there would be nothing stopping you from using a grill on site to burn a book as that is no more of a fire hazard than doing a BBQ. You could use a campfire pit also if available. I am not sure what facilities the site had, but he could have chosen to do it in a way that did not violate the local ordinances, and he probably should have left his gun at home if it was not legal to carry.
 
tererun said:
It is legal in many places to carry a gun. Also, i can light up a BBQ in many public parks without any problem and cook. Yes, 3000 books was probably well beyond what you are legally allowed to burn in a public park, and carting a BBQ around with kerosene drenched books sounds like it violates fire codes, but there would be nothing stopping you from using a grill on site to burn a book as that is no more of a fire hazard than doing a BBQ. You could use a campfire pit also if available. I am not sure what facilities the site had, but he could have chosen to do it in a way that did not violate the local ordinances, and he probably should have left his gun at home if it was not legal to carry.
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In Florida you can't openly carry a gun... and you can't even burn leaves in most towns and cities.
 
Sharona said:
He was headed for a public park and openly carrying a gun..

Neither has anything to do with free speech.
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Now you are just getting really out there. Yes, you can do free speech in a public park. You may have to get a permit for a public event, but there is nothing wrong with going to one that has facilities for BBQ or a campfire and burning a book or two. He did overdo it on the number of books, and his method was not safe. Also, there are many areas in the US that presently allow open carry so having a gun is well beyond the issue of free speech. If he was arrested for violating local rules about open carry then he should have been aware and either not carried or chosen a place where he could carry. You are trying to make a BS emotional argument. Let us bring it back to reality. I will be burning some korans myself soon. I will do it on my property and within local laws regarding burning. I won't have a gun, and I might evemn drag a few down to the local park and burn them in a grill or two there. So what is your complaint going to be when they have no other things to arrest me on?
 
tererun said:
Now you are just getting really out there. Yes, you can do free speech in a public park. You may have to get a permit for a public event, but there is nothing wrong with going to one that has facilities for BBQ or a campfire and burning a book or two. He did overdo it on the number of books, and his method was not safe. Also, there are many areas in the US that presently allow open carry so having a gun is well beyond the issue of free speech. If he was arrested for violating local rules about open carry then he should have been aware and either not carried or chosen a place where he could carry. You are trying to make a BS emotional argument. Let us bring it back to reality. I will be burning some korans myself soon. I will do it on my property and within local laws regarding burning. I won't have a gun, and I might evemn drag a few down to the local park and burn them in a grill or two there. So what is your complaint going to be when they have no other things to arrest me on?
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Good for you................
 
Sharona said:
In Florida you can't openly carry a gun... and you can't even burn leaves in most towns and cities.
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I am pretty sure i have seen people BBQ in florida. Had he chosen to burn a few korans instead of 3000 at once he could certainly have found a place to do that legally. I also notice that witnesses say he had a gun, but I do not see any report from the police they seized one. I do certainly hope the police did not act without getting evidence. It might be bad for the town if they had. Perhaps the news left that part out.
 
Driving while pulling a BarBQue grill full of kerosene soaked Koran's is not illegal anywhere. A burn permit is often required in Florida on private property. I tried to get one for some dead orange trees and was denied because my grove was residential and not commercial. The fire marshal did tell me that I could get a couple buddies together and have a couple beers and a bonfire without a permit though. Go figure.

The cops are going to have a difficult time justifying arresting this guy and but he has every right to do what he wants with his private property. He just can't do it on public property without permission.
 
tererun said:
I am pretty sure i have seen people BBQ in florida. Had he chosen to burn a few korans instead of 3000 at once he could certainly have found a place to do that legally. I also notice that witnesses say he had a gun, but I do not see any report from the police they seized one. I do certainly hope the police did not act without getting evidence. It might be bad for the town if they had. Perhaps the news left that part out.
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The Nazis were big on book burning.
 
Come on, transporting 3000 books soaked in a flammable liquid on the highway is stupid. Otherwise I would be all for him practicing his free speech, no matter how stupid.
tererun said:
I am pretty sure i have seen people BBQ in florida. Had he chosen to burn a few korans instead of 3000 at once he could certainly have found a place to do that legally. I also notice that witnesses say he had a gun, but I do not see any report from the police they seized one. I do certainly hope the police did not act without getting evidence. It might be bad for the town if they had. Perhaps the news left that part out.
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Sharona said:
Good for you................
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No argument or complaining about the poor soldiers in afganistan? No blaming me for the voluntary acts of others? No telling me my freedom of speech should be taken away because others around the world may become violent? So had Jones actually done the burn legally then you would have no complaints?
 
tererun said:
No argument or complaining about the poor soldiers in afganistan? No blaming me for the voluntary acts of others? No telling me my freedom of speech should be taken away because others around the world may become violent? So had Jones actually done the burn legally then you would have no complaints?
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I am not a proponent of book burning... that includes all sorts of books...

The Nazis burned books.
 
mak2 said:
Come on, transporting 3000 books soaked in a flammable liquid on the highway is stupid. Otherwise I would be all for him practicing his free speech, no matter how stupid.
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I have agreed with that from the beginning. 3000 kerosene soaked books in a towed BBQ doesn't sound very safe to me. Even burning that many in a park had he transported the materials properly would probably be a felony. For that stupidity he does deserve some charges. If he was carrying a firearm in an illegal way that too would be reason to arrest him also. But then the argument against it should be that he broke the law, and not that it endangers the lives of soldiers and that the town has a ability to stop him from burning books within the legally accepted way like perhaps a couple at a time in a safe manner in a BBQ in a proper place. He could have taken the three thousand, some kerosene, had a fire pit and burned the hell out of them. I know I have hung around fire pits in florida that were completely legal and we could have easily tossed some books in for fun.
 
Sharona said:
I am not a proponent of book burning... that includes all sorts of books...

The Nazis burned books.
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The nazis were not burning books in protest, they were cleansing the world of those books. There are so many korans in the world 3000 doesn't even make a dent. Not to mention there is no ban on printing them so they will just make more. You can be against it as you want, but it is a legitimate form of protest and you should stop using godwins law when you have no real point.
 
tererun said:
The nazis were not burning books in protest, they were cleansing the world of those books. There are so many korans in the world 3000 doesn't even make a dent. Not to mention there is no ban on printing them so they will just make more. You can be against it as you want, but it is a legitimate form of protest and you should stop using godwins law when you have no real point.
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I would find it objectionable if he were burning Torahs or Bibles.
 
Sharona said:
I would find it objectionable if he were burning Torahs or Bibles.
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Unfortunately for you mere offensiveness isn't considered a legitimate barrier to the exercise of speech in the US
 
Sharona said:
I am not a proponent of book burning... that includes all sorts of books...

The Nazis burned books.
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Godwin's Law is being invoked here. You lose all arguments.
 
tererun said:
The nazis were not burning books in protest, they were cleansing the world of those books. There are so many korans in the world 3000 doesn't even make a dent. Not to mention there is no ban on printing them so they will just make more. You can be against it as you want, but it is a legitimate form of protest and you should stop using godwins law when you have no real point.
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You say the Nazis were cleansing the world of books they found objectionable????
 
Sharona said:
You say the Nazis were cleansing the world of books they found objectionable????
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Yes. You're trying and failing to understand why Jones attempt at burning Korans is different from Nazi's burning those books. If you're going to throw all your credibility away by talking about Nazi's then it would at least behoove to go down in a blaze of glory (no pun intended) and actually understand why the Nazi's were burning books.
 
reinoe said:
So they arrested him and are now making up charges after the fact? And you're glad that someone was arrested for literally no reason? Sounds like Jones can sue the crap out of the city for this.
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No, the article says they will hold a press conference later to discuss the charges he was arrested on. I agree that this man has a constitutional right to burn Korans, but it is SO inflammatory, it solves nothing and puts Americans, not just but certainly including soldiers, at extreme risk, and for that purpose, it is highly irresponsible. It's not an act of love that you might expect coming from a pastor and there are any number of different ways that those lost on 9/11 could be honoured.
 
Dr. Chuckles said:
Unfortunately for you mere offensiveness isn't considered a legitimate barrier to the exercise of speech in the US
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Because of what you say, I don't think he should have been prevented from doing this, if that's what the timely arrest turns out to be. But then again, free speech doesn't allow one to yell fire in a crowded theatre. And sense this could have a similar effect, meaning people could be harmed or worse as a result of him exercising his free speech............................??
 
He was not arrested for burning anything or any sort of speech. That is spin
mak2 said:
He faces two charges: unlawful conveyance of fuel, and unlawful open carry of a firearm, according to the Polk County Sheriff's Office.


Read more: Terry Jones arrested en route to Koran-burning - FOX 35 News Orlando
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Montecresto said:
Because of what you say, I don't think he should have been prevented from doing this, if that's what the timely arrest turns out to be. But then again, free speech doesn't allow one to yell fire in a crowded theatre. And sense this could have a similar effect, meaning people could be harmed or worse as a result of him exercising his free speech............................??
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