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US Police arrest Florida pastor

No we do not. That goes against everything our country stands for, especially when it is a symbolic book burning.

Oh please America has comprimised on citizens rights throughout her history! Most recently with the Patriots act.
 
So if you witness a minority being excoriated by, lets say a skinhead, your opinion of freedom is it's the skinhead's right to express his rage and your right to look the other way.
Aren't you glad you live in America?

That's a completely different scenario altogether. Any dumbass can recognize that. :roll:
 
I've learned that some people are just terrible debaters. They are demanding answers from you while avoiding any questions you might ask of them. :lol: It's so transparent that they CANNOT answer your questions, so they try to divert attention from that fact.

Do you consider yourself to be a debater? Quoting the dead and using ad hominem does not make a debate.
 
Until the skin head does something illegal. Like drive an incinendry device with thousands of flammable liquid soaked books down the highway. THen bust him. I am glad I live in a country where the skinhead can have his say, but cannot physically harm anyone.

Then why in the world is there a crusade against bullying?
 
Oh please America has comprimised on citizens rights throughout her history! Most recently with the Patriots act.

That is because the federal government has grown exponentially and have overreached their boundaries. No one would argue that fact. That is why a lot of us are here complaining about our rights to begin with, voting and trying to reach out to our fellow Americans to not tolerate such infringements on ANY of our rights.
 
Do you consider yourself to be a debater? Quoting the dead and using ad hominem does not make a debate.

Better than you apparently. I'm still waiting for you to answer my question. I have a feeling I should give it up now though. :) You've made it quite clear that you have nothing of value to add to the discussion.
 
Oh please America has comprimised on citizens rights throughout her history! Most recently with the Patriots act.

Yes, we know that, and many of us detest it. That doesn't mean that treading on our rights is a good or desirable thing. Why do you think so many of us complain about the PA? We don't blindly accept that anything our government does is a good thing.
 
So if you witness a minority being excoriated by, lets say a skinhead, your opinion of freedom is it's the skinhead's right to express his rage and your right to look the other way.
Aren't you glad you live in America?

Well, number one, I don't live in America - that CanadaJohn user ID is usually a big give-away, if the Toronto location isn't - but having said that, I'd not be the slightest embarrassed to live in America based on the country's concepts of freedom and individual choice/responsibility.

Secondly, why do you always refer to instances that are basically verbal assaults and have nothing to do with protesting? A skinhead picking out one minority and verbally assaulting them is not a protest, that's a verbal assault and subject to a charge in most jurisdictions. The children on the bus verbally assaulting the chaperone you mentioned earlier, also a verbal assault and not a protest. Now, if the skinhead joins other skinheads and marches in the town square to protest affirmative action, that would be freedom of speech that the government should not interfere with at all, no matter how vile or disgusting their actions may be.
 
That is because the federal government has grown exponentially and have overreached their boundaries. No one would argue that fact. That is why a lot of us are here complaining about our rights to begin with, voting and trying to reach out to our fellow Americans to not tolerate such infringements on ANY of our rights.

Dear God, do you ever study history? The Patriot Act manifested after the 9-11 attacks, which is not say that American rights have not been infringed upon throughout history as stated by Higgins86.
 
Thanks for identifying yourself.

Everyone look at this post. I've become aware that this is a tactic of this particular poster. Can't debate a point, has to bring up things that have nothing to do with the subject at hand, can't explain her position. :lol: Believe me, you aren't anything special or unique with this tactic. I've run into probably hundreds of you.
 
Dear God, do you ever study history? The Patriot Act manifested after the 9-11 attacks, which is not say that American rights have not been infringed upon throughout history as stated by Higgins86.

So your suggestion is to accept that and "go with the flow?" How silly.
 
We just beat bullies up around here.;) anyway, I think as long as they protest or whatever legally, no matter who they are, more power to them. I can ignore anyone but everyone should have a right to espouse their views, if legal.
Then why in the world is there a crusade against bullying?
 
So if you witness a minority being excoriated by, lets say a skinhead, your opinion of freedom is it's the skinhead's right to express his rage and your right to look the other way.
Aren't you glad you live in America?

What do you mean by excoriated?
 
Pastor arrested before he could burn Qurans


Glad they could stop this dickhead before he cost more life's.

Unless they charge him for something content neutral like transporting hazardous materials improperly or without a permit, they have violated his rights. Freedom of Speech is pretty well-defended in law for unpopular acts. Even black ACLU lawyers will defend the right of the KKK to burn crosses.
 
Well, number one, I don't live in America - that CanadaJohn user ID is usually a big give-away, if the Toronto location isn't - but having said that, I'd not be the slightest embarrassed to live in America based on the country's concepts of freedom and individual choice/responsibility.

Secondly, why do you always refer to instances that are basically verbal assaults and have nothing to do with protesting? A skinhead picking out one minority and verbally assaulting them is not a protest, that's a verbal assault and subject to a charge in most jurisdictions. The children on the bus verbally assaulting the chaperone you mentioned earlier, also a verbal assault and not a protest. Now, if the skinhead joins other skinheads and marches in the town square to protest affirmative action, that would be freedom of speech that the government should not interfere with at all, no matter how vile or disgusting their actions may be.

I gave you an example of what a lot of people witness on daily basis.
Does geography really matter when it comes to humanness?
If a preacher, a so called man of God, can publicly burn thousands of Qurans knowing that he is causing unrest in disrespecting another religion, should his act be labeled 'freedom of expression?'
 
We agree completely except they did name the charges immediately. They just werent picked up by the press to change the character of the story. I think I posted a local link with the charges on the first or second page of this thread.

I noted that, but I did not read all the news items, locally or otherwise. Some seem to indicate the gun charge was a later addition, which I don't get. You are either openly carrying or you are not.

I think part of the problem has to do with the press conference delay and the media desire to be first. But that is not unusual. Better to be late and right than early and wrong.
 
So your suggestion is to accept that and "go with the flow?" How silly.

You need to study history and learn the true meaning of freedom. Your supercilious attitude is a turnoff.
 
Unless they charge him for something content neutral like transporting hazardous materials improperly or without a permit, they have violated his rights. Freedom of Speech is pretty well-defended in law for unpopular acts. Even black ACLU lawyers will defend the right of the KKK to burn crosses.

I agree - and I think it will be interesting to see if the pastor's lawyers can get him off or have the charges dismissed based on the comments attributed to the various town officials related to opposition to his protest and the charges being laid simply as pretenses to stop his protest from taking place. Sometimes the ends don't justify the means.
 
I gave you an example of what a lot of people witness on daily basis.
Does geography really matter when it comes to humanness?
If a preacher, a so called man of God, can publicly burn thousands of Qurans knowing that he is causing unrest in disrespecting another religion, should his act be labeled 'freedom of expression?'

Yes. Because you don't like it doesn't change that fact.
 
You need to study history and learn the true meaning of freedom. Your supercilious attitude is a turnoff.

Another great example of avoidance. :lol:
 
I gave you an example of what a lot of people witness on daily basis.
Does geography really matter when it comes to humanness?
If a preacher, a so called man of God, can publicly burn thousands of Qurans knowing that he is causing unrest in disrespecting another religion, should his act be labeled 'freedom of expression?'

Absolutely - just as people respect the rights of Muslim clerics who speak in the most vile of terms about Jews, Christians and other "infidels". Usually, the difference is that when Muslim clerics and their followers speak out, most other people simply ignore their ignorance and get on with their lives, however, when someone speaks out in an ignorant way about Muslims, those Muslims like to burn synagogs, churches and other buildings, beat people in the street, kidnap and behead those who spoke the words, etc.
 
So if anyone cares to respond feel free. There are limitations to our rights aren't there? That whole "fire in crowded room" thing. If someone has stated that they intend to do harm and you catch them in the act (kerosene soaked books and firearm in hand) it seems like the kind of incident that would limit your rights.

Since the time of ancient republics rights have been understood to have legal limits. The Magna Carta, the English Bill of Rights, and the Massachusetts Body of Liberties all set limits on rights.

Citizens also have the responsibility to exercise their rights within reasonable limits that do not abridge the equal freedom of others.

Bill of Rights Institute: Limits on Rights | Bill of Rights Institute

I am honestly just looking for an intelligent conversation about this not a street fight. I am torn on this issue.
 
So if anyone cares to respond feel free. There are limitations to our rights aren't there? That whole "fire in crowded room" thing. If someone has stated that they intend to do harm and you catch them in the act (kerosene soaked books and firearm in hand) it seems like the kind of incident that would limit your rights.

Since the time of ancient republics rights have been understood to have legal limits. The Magna Carta, the English Bill of Rights, and the Massachusetts Body of Liberties all set limits on rights.

Citizens also have the responsibility to exercise their rights within reasonable limits that do not abridge the equal freedom of others.

Bill of Rights Institute: Limits on Rights | Bill of Rights Institute

I am honestly just looking for an intelligent conversation about this not a street fight. I am torn on this issue.
 
Yes. Because you don't like it doesn't change that fact.

Apparently your slanted view of freedom includes disrespecting other religions to the point of stirring up hate and division.
 
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