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    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    You have a right as an American to get ticked off, just as he has a right to burn his property if he chooses.

    An individual burning a book is not censorship. When you're ready to answer my question instead of ignoring it, I will address your posts.

    [B][SIZE=4][COLOR="#FF0000"]If Bob were to threaten John that if John didn't stop listening to rap music, he would kill someone. John, knowing this, decides to listen to rap music anyway, and Bob, as promised, kills someone.

    You really want to blame John in this situation? [/][SIZE][B]
    What if Bob threatened to burn down a Christian church or a Christian house for every Koran that John burned? John, knowing this, decides to burn a few thousand Korans anyway and so Bob, as promised, burns down an entire Christian village. Since John cast the first stone, why wouldn't you blame him?


    Curtailing your freedom based on threats is the true sign of a coward.
    Oh, so you really do care what Muslims think, eh?

    Burning the Koran shows religious intolerance and bigotry. It is the cowards way of curtailing religious freedom.

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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    What if Bob threatened to burn down a Christian church or a Christian house for every Koran that John burned? John, knowing this, decides to burn a few thousand Korans anyway and so Bob, as promised, burns down an entire Christian village. Since John cast the first stone, why wouldn't you blame him?


    Oh, so you really do care what Muslims think, eh?

    Burning the Koran shows religious intolerance and bigotry. It is the cowards way of curtailing religious freedom.
    No, Bob would be 100% wrong. John would be burning books that he owned (if it was owned by someone else, he is violating their property and should face charges). If the muslims own the churches and decided to burn their own property down, that is their decision, but I'm willing to bet they do not own the churches.

    See, that's not so hard is it?

    And no, burning your own property isn't curtailing religious freedom. That is just bat **** crazy.
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    I've got to say that it is shadenfreudalicious to see the rich and famous fucquewads on the coast suffering from the fires.

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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    What if Bob threatened to burn down a Christian church or a Christian house for every Koran that John burned? John, knowing this, decides to burn a few thousand Korans anyway and so Bob, as promised, burns down an entire Christian village. Since John cast the first stone, why wouldn't you blame him?
    Because he did not burn down anyone's home?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    A significant percentage of the Arab world is profoundly ignorant and married to their close family members, too.


    and you want us to emulate them......
    Since incest is forbidden in Islam, you would do well to emulate them....

    What is a Mahram? - My Islam


    As oppossed to not emulating them....

    America Has an Incest Problem - Mia Fontaine - The Atlantic


    America seems to have more than it's share of "profound ignorance".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    Because he did not burn down anyone's home?
    Can a snowflake cause an avalanche?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Since incest is forbidden in Islam, you would do well to emulate them...America seems to have more than it's share of "profound ignorance".
    actually first cousin marriages is a pretty big problem in the middle east and larger islamic world. From what I recall, it is largely influence due to clan , tribal, and family affiliations being fortified through arranged marriages. A quick google search should turn up numerous amounts of data

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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Can a snowflake cause an avalanche?
    I'm not sure that is a proper analogy here. Because in yours I assume that the snowflake is having a direct causal relationship to the avalanche. While with the guy burning Korans does not have such in relation to the church burnings. A separate individual chose to do such under his own volition and was fully capable in not behaving in such a manner

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    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    No, Bob would be 100% wrong. John would be burning books that he owned (if it was owned by someone else, he is violating their property and should face charges). If the muslims own the churches and decided to burn their own property down, that is their decision, but I'm willing to bet they do not own the churches.

    See, that's not so hard is it?

    And no, burning your own property isn't curtailing religious freedom. That is just bat **** crazy.
    If John knew that his actions would lead to violence, then he is responsible for his actions.


    Pastor Jone's burning of the Quran doesn't pass the Brandenburg test....because it was intended to and did result in violence.....


    "The constitutional guarantees of free speech and free press do not permit a State to forbid or proscribe advocacy of the use of force or of law violation except where such advocacy is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action."

    Clear-and-present danger test legal definition of Clear-and-present danger test. Clear-and-present danger test synonyms by the Free Online Law Dictionary.

    Advocacy of Unlawful Action

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Pastor Jone's burning of the Quran doesn't pass the Brandenburg test....because it was intended to and did result in violence.....
    Did you even read the examples in your second link? I honestly don't think you understand what that standard is

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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    If John knew that his actions would lead to violence, then he is responsible for his actions.


    Pastor Jone's burning of the Quran doesn't pass the Brandenburg test....because it was intended to and did result in violence.....


    "The constitutional guarantees of free speech and free press do not permit a State to forbid or proscribe advocacy of the use of force or of law violation except where such advocacy is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action."

    Clear-and-present danger test legal definition of Clear-and-present danger test. Clear-and-present danger test synonyms by the Free Online Law Dictionary.

    Advocacy of Unlawful Action
    Good, then you did finally answer my original question: Bob tells John that if he continues to eat pork, he will kill somebody. If John eats that pork, knowing that Bob made that threat, then John should be hauled off to jail.

    There isn't a freedom loving bone in your body, is there? Personal responsibility is a completely lost concept on you.

    Now, I'm going to make a threat: If you keep posting this nonsense, I'm going to punch a midget. Now remember, if you post again, you will be responsible for what happens to that poor little bastard.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    Did you even read the examples in your second link? I honestly don't think you understand what that standard is
    She's made it very obvious again that she doesn't even read her own links.
    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    I've got to say that it is shadenfreudalicious to see the rich and famous fucquewads on the coast suffering from the fires.

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