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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    I'm not sure if it's an issue with english being your second language, or what. But you seem to have huge issues with basic reading comprehension: I was rather clear in my post that the arrest wasn't directly related to his speech. What I covered was how the permitting process and legal code have been abused in attempts to circumvent constitutional protections in the past
    It is your opinion that the legal code is being abused to stop him but I think this was just a pleasant side effect from his arrest. If he had acted in accordance with the law he would not have been arrested. Now he gave the city/sheriff the grounds for arrest. This indeed is not an misunderstanding due to language issues but the issue is that I disagree with you that he was purely arrested to stop the book burning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    I'm not sure about that. His act of driving with flammables does seem illegal and potentially dangerous. But the legitimacy of his arrest depends on whether he just happened to be caught, or if he was targeted by the authorities with the intent of stopping the protest. It also depends on whether he was denied a permit for legitimate safety or other reasons.
    He was not arrested from what I read for failing to have a permit but for transporting fuel in a manner that was not approved/dangerous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    It is your opinion that the legal code is being abused to stop him
    Again, reading comprehension is key. What I wrote was "given the high profile and political nature of the event, I wouldn't assume such played no part here."

    That is not asserting the legal code *was* abused, but indicating such abuse can happen and that the denial of a permit and arrest on other matters does not clear this as simply being a case of judicial application of the law

    basically: might =/= is

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    He was not arrested from what I read for failing to have a permit but for transporting fuel in a manner that was not approved/dangerous.
    Well, there are a number of things here that could still make it amount to an arrest, due to unconstitutional application of Govt force. Some possibilities:

    1) The material was being transported in the above manner to help secure the act in the face of an unjustified denial of a permit and fear of govt intervention

    2) He was specifically targeted due to his association with the protest (that it wasn't a random traffic stop)

    But again, pointing to potential abuses, and why it shouldn't be simply assumed everything was kosher is not the same as stating such things did happen. It's just in high profile cases, where govt officials have a vested interest in curtailing rights, we should be skeptical that such just happened to occur out of pure chance

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    Well, there are a number of things here that could still make it amount to an arrest, due to unconstitutional application of Govt force. Some possibilities:

    1) The material was being in the above manner to help secure the act in the face of an unjustified denial of a permit and fear of govt intervention

    2) He was specifically targeted due to his association with the protest (that it wasn't a random traffic stop)

    But again, pointing to potential abuses, and why it shouldn't be simply assumed everything was kosher is not the same as stating such things did happen. It's just in high profile cases, where govt officials have a vested interest in curtailing rights, we should be skeptical that such just happened to occur out of pure chance
    Wouldn't you feel badly if the good preacher had lit a match and somehow the flaming pyre of books spread to him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lolabird View Post
    Wouldn't you feel badly if the good preacher had lit a match and somehow the flaming pyre of books spread to him?
    Well, while I find his ideas deplorable, as far as I know he has never explicitly harmed anyone. I also tend to be very tolerant of disagreement and figure if jack-asses like him can find satisfaction in simply expressing their ideas peacefully more power to him.

    After all, I much prefer the Fred Phelps klan to a bunch of asshole stoning homosexuals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    Well, while I find his ideas deplorable, as far as I know he has never explicitly harmed anyone. I also tend to be very tolerant of disagreement and figure if jack-asses like him can find satisfaction in simply expressing their ideas peacefully more power to him.

    After all, I much prefer the Fred Phelps klan to a bunch of asshole stoning homosexuals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    Again, reading comprehension is key. What I wrote was "given the high profile and political nature of the event, I wouldn't assume such played no part here."

    That is not asserting the legal code *was* abused, but indicating such abuse can happen and that the denial of a permit and arrest on other matters does not clear this as simply being a case of judicial application of the law

    basically: might =/= is
    Basically the powers that be can misuse the law to frustrate legal endeavors like protests and things like that. But a public burning of books might need a bit more attention from the police/fire department/city hall/etc. when one compares it to a peaceful demonstration/protest rally.

    And I am sure there are instances where protests are being frustrated/stopped by unwilling government officials, that should never happen if it is done out of malicious/unlawful reasons from the government but if there is a real and valid reason sometimes permits can and must be denied.

    And I think you are right that these kinds of things (the pastor being willfully frustrated by the local government) will not have played a part, the county where it happens is a pretty republican area. As said, all city commissioners are republican and the sheriff is also a republican and I doubt that their voters would want to see the pastor's freedom of speech infringed upon.
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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    Basically the powers that be can misuse the law to frustrate legal endeavors like protests and things like that. But a public burning of books might need a bit more attention from the police/fire department/city hall/etc. when one compares it to a peaceful demonstration/protest rally.
    1) it is a peaceful protest

    2) Yes, I fully understand that having a large open fire creates circumstances that are different than a general gathering. I never denied this and am unsure how it addresses what I wrote

    And I am sure there are instances where protests are being frustrated/stopped by unwilling government officials, that should never happen if it is done out of malicious/unlawful reasons from the government but if there is a real and valid reason sometimes permits can and must be denied.
    Yes, Peter, but I never claimed otherwise ...


    And I think you are right that these kinds of things (the pastor being willfully frustrated by the local government) will not have played a part, the county where it happens is a pretty republican area. As said, all city commissioners are republican and the sheriff is also a republican and I doubt that their voters would want to see the pastor's freedom of speech infringed upon.
    Peter, you seem to have an extremely simplistic view of american politics: we have two major political parties in this country, which people of varying political views and backgrounds align with. So someone simply being a republican, or democrat, does not determine where they would stand on this issue

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