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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Burning books that were forcibly removed from libraries, book stores and homes is a form of censorship.

    Burning books that the protesting burners purchased or acquired legitimately is not. It is a protest.

    In the USA, people have burned Beatles and other rock records, disco records and books and magazines they find offensive. None of those acts resulted in censorship. They did raise awareness of the protester's objections to the content. The protests may or may not have succeeded in encouraging some sellers or libraries to remove the books from their inventories. If they did, it was because the sellers or libraries decided to remove the books. It was their free choice, and not censorship, unless they were compelled to remove the materials due to government action or threats of violence. Generally, content that has been widely protested or subject to censorship in the USA becomes more popular and has a greater, and longer lasting, social impact than if it had not been targetted. We know more about D.H. Lawrence, Mark Twain, JD Salinger, Radclyffe Hall, Hemingway, Henry Miller, William Buroughs, Allen Ginsburg et al more than most of their contemporaries.
    but the man was not arrested because he wanted to protest, this is not a first amendment issues but a criminal offense issue.
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    but the man was not arrested because he wanted to protest, this is not a first amendment issues but a criminal offense issue.
    As mentioned previously, denial of a permit and an arrest for other infractions does not amount to the motivation being to suppress an individuals speech. In fact, there have been plenty of attempts in the past to target certain individuals and groups through applying stringent standards to permitting processes in the past and nickle and diming them with the statutory code

    And given the high profile and political nature of the event, I wouldn't assume such played no part here. Also, it seems many are praising the fact that his act of free expression was curtailed, so discussing censorship, the first amendment, and what they constitute seems more than appropiate

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    As mentioned previously, denial of a permit and an arrest for other infractions does not amount to the motivation being to suppress an individuals speech. In fact, there have been plenty of attempts in the past to target certain individuals and groups through applying stringent standards to permitting processes in the past and nickle and diming them with the statutory code

    And given the high profile and political nature of the event, I wouldn't assume such played no part here. Also, it seems many are praising the fact that his act of free expression was curtailed, so discussing censorship, the first amendment, and what they constitute seems more than appropiate
    Terry Jones should take it back to Gainsville and see if that community wants his mess.

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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    Burning books that were forcibly removed from libraries, book stores and homes is a form of censorship.

    Burning books that the protesting burners purchased or acquired legitimately is not. It is a protest.

    In the USA, people have burned Beatles and other rock records, disco records and books and magazines they find offensive. None of those acts resulted in censorship. They did raise awareness of the protester's objections to the content. The protests may or may not have succeeded in encouraging some sellers or libraries to remove the books from their inventories. If they did, it was because the sellers or libraries decided to remove the books. It was their free choice, and not censorship, unless they were compelled to remove the materials due to government action or threats of violence. Generally, content that has been widely protested or subject to censorship in the USA becomes more popular and has a greater, and longer lasting, social impact than if it had not been targetted. We know more about D.H. Lawrence, Mark Twain, JD Salinger, Radclyffe Hall, Hemingway, Henry Miller, William Buroughs, Allen Ginsburg et al more than most of their contemporaries.
    Yeah, we are talking about a mass produced book here that is widely and freely available through numerous channels. Burning three thousand of them likely doesn't even account for a significant percentage of those that are produced daily

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharona View Post
    Terry Jones should take it back to Gainsville and see if that community wants his mess.
    That doesn't even make sense as a reply to what I wrote

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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Chuckles View Post
    As mentioned previously, denial of a permit and an arrest for other infractions does not amount to the motivation being to suppress an individuals speech. In fact, there have been plenty of attempts in the past to target certain individuals and groups through applying stringent standards to permitting processes in the past and nickle and diming them with the statutory code

    And given the high profile and political nature of the event, I wouldn't assume such played no part here. Also, it seems many are praising the fact that his act of free expression was curtailed, so discussing censorship, the first amendment, and what they constitute seems more than appropiate
    He was not arrested for voicing his opinion, he was arrested because this moron (sorry, no other word describes him IMHO) drags a huge fire hazard around. And I am sorry, but thousands of qur'ans doused with kerosine are a huge fire hazard and he put fellow road users/citizens in huge danger by doing something that incredibly stupid.

    If he had dragged a smoker filled with qur'ans and put the kerosine on them at the site I doubt very seriously he would have been arrested. He however was arrested for being a moron with a great disregard for the safety of others. That is why he has to be charged and sentenced.
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    He was not arrested for voicing his opinion
    I'm not sure if it's an issue with english being your second language, or what. But you seem to have huge issues with basic reading comprehension: I was rather clear in my post that the arrest wasn't directly related to his speech. What I covered was how the permitting process and legal code have been abused in attempts to circumvent constitutional protections in the past

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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    but the man was not arrested because he wanted to protest, this is not a first amendment issues but a criminal offense issue.
    I'm not sure about that. His act of driving with flammables does seem illegal and potentially dangerous. But the legitimacy of his arrest depends on whether he just happened to be caught, or if he was targeted by the authorities with the intent of stopping the protest. It also depends on whether he was denied a permit for legitimate safety or other reasons.
    Last edited by Hard Truth; 09-14-13 at 06:02 PM.

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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Because the states are involved. Don't you see yet why governmental control over rights is a BAD thing overall for everyone? I know others will say marriage isn't a right, but I would argue that two people wanting to marry as being covered under the "pursuit of happiness."
    I think the Civil Rights Act was a good thing.

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    Rand Paul and today's GOP does not.
    They won't be happy until they roll back everything through FDR and give us another depression.
    Bush's recession was not enough as we see with today's House.
    Quote Originally Posted by lolabird View Post
    I think the Civil Rights Act was a good thing.

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