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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    And what point is that, all I did was correct/expand the book burning comment, nothing more and nothing less.
    You expanded something for no reason, as that detail had absolutely no relevance to any point whatsoever. I'm here to debate the topic not argue about irrelevant BS.

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    It is a comparison made even more ironic by the fact she supports the Islamist position when it comes to her hatred of the liberal notion of free speech. Yes, by all means, let's all support heavy handed totalitarianism to show how much we are against it.
    Well, since I've known her she's been a very passionate anti-freedom advocate. I'd say this is pretty much par for her. Let's all appease the muslims.
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    I've got to say that it is shadenfreudalicious to see the rich and famous fucquewads on the coast suffering from the fires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    I don't support any religion. I am an atheist.
    You are supporting the Islamist objective. Your own religion has nothing to do with it.

    The actual Nazis used their state power to burn books in order to eliminate free expression. You want the state to use it's power to prevent certain thoughts from being expressed. Have you considered how you are much more like them in this regard than unlike?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharona View Post
    I think a municipality has the right to ban certain behaviors.
    To ban the burning of a particular book, as it is being done as a sign of symbolism because of the burner's intent to show dissent for the particular ideology, is an infringement on our rights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Let's all appease the muslims.
    and the most fundamentalist of Muslims,too. It would be like outlawing homosexuality because of Westboro Baptist.

    By supporting the agenda of violent Islamist fundies as these people wish to do, all they accomplish is to make life more difficult for those Muslims who AREN'T Islamists. Joining the Jihad as willing participants as these people are doing sure won't make the problem of Islamism go away. Far from it. It will only help tip the balance towards the Islamists in their fight fight against more moderate Muslims.

    The moderate Muslims aren't going to riot when some idiot burns books in Florida. They are the ones being undermined by the useful idiocy inherent in siding with the Islamists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lolabird View Post
    So why isn't it legal for gays to marry in all states?
    Because the states are involved. Don't you see yet why governmental control over rights is a BAD thing overall for everyone? I know others will say marriage isn't a right, but I would argue that two people wanting to marry as being covered under the "pursuit of happiness."

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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    You are supporting the Islamist objective. Your own religion has nothing to do with it.

    The actual Nazis used their state power to burn books in order to eliminate free expression. You want the state to use it's power to prevent certain thoughts from being expressed. Have you considered how you are much more like them in this regard than unlike?
    I could care less if he burned the qur'an, I could care less if he burned the bible, torah, das Kapital, etc. etc. etc.

    I think he is an asshole for doing it, he prostitutes his church/religion for his own desire to get into the media and he could care less if his actions cause the death of others.

    I would respect him if he chose not to burn the qur'an but to export it to some muslim country so that they can be given to the poor who do not have the money to buy qur'ans.

    My opinion is that it was perfectly legal to arrest this idiot and I do not have an issue if he is prosecuted and jailed/fined for his crimes.
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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    I could care less if he burned the qur'an, I could care less if he burned the bible, torah, das Kapital, etc. etc. etc.

    I think he is an asshole for doing it, he prostitutes his church/religion for his own desire to get into the media and he could care less if his actions cause the death of others.

    I would respect him if he chose not to burn the qur'an but to export it to some muslim country so that they can be given to the poor who do not have the money to buy qur'ans.

    My opinion is that it was perfectly legal to arrest this idiot and I do not have an issue if he is prosecuted and jailed/fined for his crimes.
    You obviously DO care if you support his being jailed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    You obviously DO care if you support his being jailed.
    I support him being jailed for the crime he has committed, not that he wanted to burn qur'ans. As said the idiot can do what he wants but should expect all the backlash he will receive it blows up in his face.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    .....Pastor Jone's book burning party did in fact cause violent protests in the Arab world that got at least twenty or more people killed. Historically, book burning is an act of censurship, intimidation and control...so perhaps Muslims just don't understand American humor, eh?...
    In the case of Jones, book burning was more akin to flag burning, it is a way of showing disrespect for a belief system and/or the people who accept it.

    Exactly how would you word legislation to ban forms of expression that might piss off some violent people? How would you decide who to prosecute? Would it depend on the actual results of the expression, or the possible results? Do you agree that it would reuire a constitutional amendment?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    I'm not the first or the only one who has made the obvious comparison. And Nazi's didn't just burn Jewish literature.

    You're not very informed, are you? You don't even understand what your defending.

    "Book burning" refers to the ritual destruction by fire of books or other written materials. Usually carried out in a public context, the burning of books represents an element of censorship and usually proceeds from a cultural, religious, or political opposition to the materials in question....
    Book Burning

    Since ancient times, people from virtually all religions and societies have burned books as a form of censorship, protest, or hate mongering.

    As long as there have been materials deemed lewd or blasphemous, there have been attempts to ban them. Those burning books as an act of censorship on ideological grounds often display religious intolerance, such as that exhibited during the Spanish Inquisition or the reign of the Taliban....
    Book Burning, 213 BC to 2011 AD

    History : Book Burning and Censorship

    History of Book Censorship


    Censurship and religious intolerance....is that your idea of freedom?
    Burning books that were forcibly removed from libraries, book stores and homes is a form of censorship.

    Burning books that the protesting burners purchased or acquired legitimately is not. It is a protest.

    In the USA, people have burned Beatles and other rock records, disco records and books and magazines they find offensive. None of those acts resulted in censorship. They did raise awareness of the protester's objections to the content. The protests may or may not have succeeded in encouraging some sellers or libraries to remove the books from their inventories. If they did, it was because the sellers or libraries decided to remove the books. It was their free choice, and not censorship, unless they were compelled to remove the materials due to government action or threats of violence. Generally, content that has been widely protested or subject to censorship in the USA becomes more popular and has a greater, and longer lasting, social impact than if it had not been targetted. We know more about D.H. Lawrence, Mark Twain, JD Salinger, Radclyffe Hall, Hemingway, Henry Miller, William Buroughs, Allen Ginsburg et al more than most of their contemporaries.
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