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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    I'm glad that an idiot wasn't allowed to burn thousands of religious texts and by doing so endanger nato soldiers in Afghan. Yes I'm very glad
    He wasn't breaking the law, we have the first amendment, he shouldn't have been arrested.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Is it really a slippery slope fallacy when they are rioting over a man who wants to burn or flush their holy book, and no one in America has even heard of the guy, let alone joined his congregation? (I'm especially speaking of the first time he became a target of rage)
    Since Pastor Jones put Arabic subtitles on his youtube video of the koran burning suggests that Americans weren't his intended audience.


    Is it really a slippery slope fallacy when the administration blamed a pretty unknown Facebook video from an unknown director for the initial mass wave of violent protests at our embassies?
    I think it was the CIA who intitially said in a memo that the video was to blame for the attack on Benghazi.....

    On September 16, the U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. Susan Rice appeared on five major interview shows to discuss the attacks. Prior to her appearance, Rice was provided with "talking points" from a CIA memo,[177]

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/22/us...anted=all&_r=0

    Let's face it. This is utterly ridiculous.
    Pastor Jone's book burning party did in fact cause violent protests in the Arab world that got at least twenty or more people killed. Historically, book burning is an act of censurship, intimidation and control...so perhaps Muslims just don't understand American humor, eh?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    He wasn't breaking the law, we have the first amendment, he shouldn't have been arrested.
    Somewhere on this thread or maybe another one, someone said Jones was arrested for openly carrying a gun and towing volitale substances on public roads without a permit....or something like that. He wasn't arrested for burning korans because they stopped him before he could.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    So, you're ok with someone's 1st Amendment rights being crapped on?
    But you're okay with censorship and inciting violence?

    So, by not burning the Korans, the islamofacists hate us less? They won't try to kill our troops, now? Combat in Afghanistan will just be dangerous vice real dangerous?
    Bush apologized for the desecration of the Koran. I assume he did that to protect our troops and Americans abroad.


    "....On Saturday, the top American commander in Baghdad, Maj. Gen. Jeffery Hammond, and other officers held a formal ceremony apologizing to tribal chiefs in Radwaniyah.

    Bush's apology followed similar moves by the No. 2 U.S. commander in Iraq to placate the Iraqis, apologizing in separate meetings Monday with al-Maliki, Vice President Tariq al-Hashemi and parliament speaker Mahmoud al-Mashhadani.

    The U.S. military said Lt. Gen. Lloyd J. Austin III paid individual visits to al-Maliki, a Shiite Muslim, al-Hashemi and al-Mashhadani, both Sunni Arabs - moves underlining the American eagerness to make amends for the incident, particularly among Sunni Arabs who have become key allies in the fight against insurgents.

    In their meeting in his office, al-Hashemi, the top Sunni Arab in the government, told Austin that "the feelings of bitterness and anger cannot be eased unless there is a deterrent punishment and real guarantees" such an incident won't be repeated, according to al-Hashemi's office.

    Al-Hashemi expressed his appreciation for the visit but asked for a written apology from the U.S. military.

    Austin underlined in all three meetings that "the soldier had in fact been removed from Iraq. He assured them that the matter was serious and that we hold our soldiers accountable for their actions," a U.S. military statement said.

    Al-Hashemi's Iraqi Islamic Party also issued a tough statement Monday saying that an apology alone was not enough and the U.S. military should impose the "severest punishment" on the soldier to ensure others do not repeat his act....

    Bush Apologizes For Quran Desecration - CBS News

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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    Quote Originally Posted by Your Star View Post
    He wasn't breaking the law, we have the first amendment, he shouldn't have been arrested.
    he broke the law so why would they not arrest him?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Northern Light View Post
    It's always interesting to watch First Amendment rights come into conflict with current government memoranda.

    Yeah he was towing a BBQ down the highway, but don't kid yourselves if you think that's what all the hubbub is about. I personally think this pastor is scum and doesn't deserve to have any title that would associate him with spirituality and faith, but that doesn't mean I approve of the government taking away his First Amendment right.

    "Inciting violence" is BS. That's what the government says about ANY protest they want to shut down now. They claim some hypothetical person will be offended and start attacking someone else (i.e. terrorism) if the activists aren't stopped. Since when are rights granted or taken away based on hypotheticals?

    The Constitution doesn't mean anything anymore.
    I am sorry, but in this case you are wrong. He arrest was very much justified.
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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    You truly do not understand the great difference between the state conducting a systematic clensing of materials and a lone nut job performing a symbolic protest?
    Or perhaps it's the Arab world that doesn't understand the difference....



    Bush Apologizes To Iraqi Prime Minister Over Quran 'Target Practice'

    U.S. General Apologizes for Desecration of Koran

    J'lem mufti demands U.S. apology for Guantanamo Koran desecration Israel News | Haaretz

    Afghans vent fury over Koran burning, U.S. apologizes | Reuters


    Oh my, how embarrassing for the free world when our leaders have to apologize for the desecration of the Koran by Americans. Hey, maybe they don't understand the difference between the state and nut jobs, either. lol

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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    This particular asshole has a history in Florida. If you know Gainesville Florida you know this guy. He threatened to burn Qurans during a Florida football game (90K fans in the stadium), which of course could server as a lovely place to target for some other radical nut. The guy is a problem. I have no issue with him going to jail really...accept I do.

    He has his first amendment right. He is allowed to protest. The question is was the smoker lit when he drove it down the road? I mean did he actively violate the law? I don't know if I can agree with this or not.

    I do know that I could care less with the Muslims in the Middle East thing though. They can be offended and beat their burka clad wives in protest. This isn't about them. This is about free speech. We shouldn't pander to groups of people who protests a protest because they are offended. That just isn't a good precedent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stonewall50 View Post
    This particular asshole has a history in Florida. If you know Gainesville Florida you know this guy. He threatened to burn Qurans during a Florida football game (90K fans in the stadium), which of course could server as a lovely place to target for some other radical nut. The guy is a problem. I have no issue with him going to jail really...accept I do.

    He has his first amendment right. He is allowed to protest. The question is was the smoker lit when he drove it down the road? I mean did he actively violate the law? I don't know if I can agree with this or not.

    I do know that I could care less with the Muslims in the Middle East thing though. They can be offended and beat their burka clad wives in protest. This isn't about them. This is about free speech. We shouldn't pander to groups of people who protests a protest because they are offended. That just isn't a good precedent.
    Yes, he violated the law. The Florida law 316.80 Unlawful conveyance of fuel; obtaining fuel fraudulently states:

    1) It is unlawful for any person to maintain, or possess any conveyance or vehicle that is equipped with, fuel tanks, bladders, drums, or other containers that do not conform to 49 C.F.R. or have not been approved by the United States Department of Transportation for the purpose of hauling, transporting, or conveying motor or diesel fuel over any public highway. Any person who violates any provision of this subsection commits a felony of the third degree, punishable as provided in s. 775.082, s. 775.083, or s. 775.084, and, in addition, is subject to the revocation of driver license privileges as provided in s. 322.26.
    And I seriously doubt that dragging a smoker filled with kerosine drenched books with a pick up truck conforms with 49 C.F.R. and he almost certainly did not have the approval of the US department of transportation to drag that smoker on public roads.
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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    It helps to know the kind of person you're defending.

    No, he's abusing the right to free speech to incite violence.


    I thought your question about "pork" was a rhetorical slippery slope fallacy....


    I don't care who I'm defending. If he's an American he has rights, and no amount of whining on your part will change that. Burning books is not inciting violence.

    I find it beyond disgusting that you blame him over the islamists. Keep giving up freedom out of your morbid fear. You must be a BIG fan of the patriot act.

    And no, my question wasn't a rhetorical slippery slope fallacy, it was an example showing that you're inconsistent. If they started killing people over anything we were doing, you would throw your liberties at them in an attempt to save your neck.
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