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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    Quote Originally Posted by Hard Truth View Post
    There are standards for when expression can legally be considered incitement of a riot, a major component is likelihood of imminent danger. It is not determined by the viewpoint expressed and whether it might offend someone. A riot that happens a few days later or hundreds of miles away is not legally considered to have been incited by the views of the original speaker (or book burner).

    Some other nations have hate speech laws, the USA doesn't. I'm glad because they can be used to silence speech legitimately criticizing religions or groups of people, for example those who criticize the Catholic Church's protection of child molesters.
    How do you justify the violence that broke out days and weeks after MLK spoke?

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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    Calling me a name may seem cute to you, but it certainly didn't assist your post in making any sense. I fail to see where I am threatening retaliation for Americans exercising free speech.



    I was unaware the government arrested her and put her on trial for exercising free speech. Sure, people can call other people the N-word... but there are consequences in a free society, and one of those consequences is to lose sponsors who take offense.



    That's true. However, we do not remove constitutional rights for people in the US because someone around the world may get upset and threaten violence. Under your interpretation, free speech would only be a right so long as others aren't angered by it.



    So should we suspend our constitutional rights whenever someone around the world might take offense and retaliate? That kind of fear would keep us from putting Muslim mass murderers like Hassan on trial, because some Muslim group might threaten to kill Americans if we do. You can see how that would snowball: Release everyone from Gitmo in two hours or Americans will die; release convicted Islamists terrorist or Americans will die; drop bombs on Tel Aviv or Americans will die... and on it goes. The constitution, as I've said, is not a suggestion. It protects the rights of all Americans, even those we despise. If we start picking out people we don't want to have free speech because of fear or offense, then none of us will ever have free speech again.



    Exactly. I don't understand why that is so difficult for some to comprehend.
    Good to see you admit actions have consequences.

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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    AGAIN its not about their feeling its about our soldiers and the mission, mass civllian riots gets in the way of the mission and endanegrs lives.....

    talking to myself at this point because you all seem to miss the point im making.
    Well, seeing as how that's your only reasoning, then let's undergo a little thought experiment here. What if the islamists greatly opposed our eating of pork, and threatened to kill someone every day the western world continues to eat pork. Would you argue just as passionately that we should all bend to their will? Are you of the firm belief that islamists should be able to hold the western world hostage with their threats of violence?

    Frankly, the fact that we're even having this conversation tell us that the terrorists have won. People like you are so god damn terrified, that you readily hand over liberty to appease them. I find it particularly disturbing that you, a former (or current) soldier, of all people, would hold such a pansy position.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    People like you are so god damn terrified, that you readily hand over liberty to appease them. .
    while accusing those who uphold principles instead of reacting with this morbid fear as being the emotional ones.

    Can we say "projection" here, kids?
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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    while accusing those who uphold principles instead of reacting with this morbid fear as being the emotional ones.

    Can we say "projection" here, kids?
    Wait... what? Who are you attributing what to?
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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    Nope didnít understand my point. Military objectives are more important than political ideologies and civil unrest gets in the way of the objective.

    What you and others are saying is lovely and romantic but not practical in this day and age.
    The romanticism is in believing that if we just concede a little, to appease terrorists, that they will somehow come to accept us, and not wish to change our way of life in the western world. When you are up against someone who is rigid, it is foolish to conform to them, unless you don't really have any values that you are willing to uphold at all costs.
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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    Wait... what? Who are you attributing what to?

    Not you.


    Higgins is attributing emotion to those responses that do not share his desire to appease Islamists by supporting their objective. He is reacting with fearful emotions while projecting them upon those who adhere to principles.
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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    The problem I have with it is it gives foreigners control over our lives. We apparently can not control what they get outraged at, and if we are supposed to just bend to their will each time they may get offended at something someone does, somewhere, we have to ask ourselves who the hell our government represents.
    It's not just foreigners we'd have to worry about

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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Not true - what would you like to know?
    Does Canada prohibit the denial of the Holocaust?

    I suspect that was what Sharona was referring to and I honestly don't know the answer
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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Does Canada prohibit the denial of the Holocaust?

    I suspect that was what Sharona was referring to and I honestly don't know the answer
    I do not know about Canada so I cannot speak of that but in the Netherlands the highest court of the country has said that it is illegal in the Netherlands to talk down the horror/death count of the holocaust, deny or to condone/justify the holocaust.
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