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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    So when religious extremists flip out and kill people, you blame the people who agitated them, not the people who actually committed the crime? Man, that is some pretty intense ****.

    Two people get in an argument, one pulls out a gun and shoots the other. The guy who's shot should be blamed for aggrevating him to the point of violence?



    If the situation is so dire that an American expressing his own non-violent beliefs causes a "clear and present danger" for our troops, then we need to pull out, plain and simple. Curtailing liberty to appease the muslims is not the answer.

    I think it's kind of sad that you value their hurt feelings over liberty.
    AGAIN its not about their feeling its about our soldiers and the mission, mass civllian riots gets in the way of the mission and endanegrs lives.....

    talking to myself at this point because you all seem to miss the point im making.
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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Yeah, thats like blaming Charlie Manson instead of the Merry Pranksters who actually committed the crimes.

    The guy with the gun can just claim he was 'standing his ground'.

    I don't think he was expressing a "non violent belief". He knew he was inciting violence against our troops and Americans abroad. He doesn't have the right to put other peoples lives in danger anymore than Charlie Manson did.
    While I don't agree with what Terry was doing, living in fear of terrorists is exactly what they want. The katow of a powerful entity (USoA) to their demands, no matter how unreasonable, is a goal.

    What some people don't seem to understand is that they HATE us, it wouldn't matter what we did, if they can find fault with it, it will be their excuse (not reason, but excuse) to commit more 'righteous' retaliatory actions against Americans. Just the fact that we breathe angers them.
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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    AGAIN its not about their feeling its about our soldiers and the mission, mass civllian riots gets in the way of the mission and endanegrs lives.....

    talking to myself at this point because you all seem to miss the point im making.
    I don't think anybody is really missing your point. It's more a matter of disagreeing with you very strongly that we should support the Islamist objective of creating fundamental changes in our freedoms and finding your excuses for such support to be highly fallacious.
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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    AGAIN its not about their feeling its about our soldiers and the mission, mass civllian riots gets in the way of the mission and endanegrs lives.....

    talking to myself at this point because you all seem to miss the point im making.
    It isn't about feelings at all. It's about principles, and adhering to them in the face of a threat.
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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    Quote Originally Posted by Sharona View Post
    I thought Canada had some limits on free speech.
    We do, as does every western society - but not to the extent exercised in this case.
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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Burning books is the context of this discussion and the Nazis burned books. You lose for invoking Godwin's Law.
    You truly do not understand the great difference between the state conducting a systematic clensing of materials and a lone nut job performing a symbolic protest?
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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    We do, as does every western society - but not to the extent exercised in this case.
    I probably don't remember correctly... but I thought Canadians couldn't discuss or dispute the holocaust.

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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    Am I the only one here old enough to remember when liberalism involved SUPPORT for free speech instead of this supporting the agenda of the worst jack booted totalitarians on the planet who wish to make a crime of any criticism of their political agenda?

    Sure, this pastor is a right wing nut job, but let's get a handle here, folks. What you are supporting is a much, MUCH further right wing agenda in your myopic support for this attack on free speech.
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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    Quote Originally Posted by Sharona View Post
    I probably don't remember correctly... but I thought Canadians couldn't discuss or dispute the holocaust.
    Not true - what would you like to know?
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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    I don't think anybody is really missing your point. It's more a matter of disagreeing with you very strongly that we should support the Islamist objective of creating fundamental changes in our freedoms and finding your excuses for such support to be highly fallacious.
    Nope didn’t understand my point. Military objectives are more important than political ideologies and civil unrest gets in the way of the objective.

    What you and others are saying is lovely and romantic but not practical in this day and age.
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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