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    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    again I don't see it as conceding I see it as taking the moral highground, let them be animals. But obviously this sentiment is not shared with you guys.
    If you are changing tactics and policies in response to fear, it is conceding.
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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    It just saddens me that you guys and gals jump over any non American post on here with contempt and suspicion. I'm not anti American I am in fact married to one and love your country like a second home. I offered many compelling reasons why this man shouldn't burn any religious texts mainly to protect American/ Nato soldiers and American Diplomatic workers. I have nothing but respect for Amrican history and your constitution which was a master piece written by very smart men however I value human life more especially the men and women in uniform and don't feel its in our interest to make they already heavy workload heavier.

    I guess it is what it is and in this instance we are miles apart.
    Many people have already died for the principles in the Constitution. What you want to do it make all that basically meaningless by saying it wasn't (and isn't) worth it. I don't find that particularly repectful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    You cannot claim that Americans don't "surrender their rights easily" in the same post that you gleefully roll over. You'll make the same argument for next right you want us to give up (guns maybe?) I thought liberals placed a high value on free speech. Has that changed?
    Everyone one is too touchy about this too even have an objective conversation. If you are gonna label me with things like "gleefully" then clearly you care more about inflaming things so you can create an opportunity for yourself to rant rather than actually read my post. And yes, I do support limits on gun rights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Many people have already died for the principles in the Constitution. What you want to do it make all that basically meaningless by saying it wasn't (and isn't) worth it. I don't find that particularly repectful.
    Different war and a very different time. American had never occupied a Muslim country before 2001 and they have found that you must adapt if you want to limit casualties and succeed ( something they discovered the hard way in Iraq). If you don't adapt to your surroundings you will fail something we found out during the Revolutionary wars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    Different war and a very different time. American had never occupied a Muslim country before 2001 and they have found that you must adapt if you want to limit casualties and succeed ( something they discovered the hard way in Iraq). If you don't adapt to your surroundings you will fail something we found out during the Revolutionary wars.
    Did the British tolerate anti-Indian or anti-Iraqi sentiment in the home country?
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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    im not excusing their actions at all you misunderstanding me. I don't give a flying **** about extremist Muslims and their rights but I do care about the Collation forces still in Afghan who's job would get even more dangerous and harder than it already is. It isn't about the extremist Muslims its about getting our lads home and supporting them the best we can from home and if that means this idiot doesn't get to burn 3000 books then so be it.
    What I hope would be obvious by this point is that you think that's all your doing, but there's a major side effect to your view called letting them have whatever they want because they threw a big tantrum. . .Remember that one episode of the Twilight Zone where the kids had the supernatural powers to hurt people? And everyone gave him anything he wanted because they feared for their lives? Yeah, your view is like that. Exactly like that.

    . . . and what happened in that episode? Mmhmm - rent the DVD, I think it would be a good lesson, here. (Episode 31 - season 1). (And it is just that pathetic that I can compare a 'religious thug group' to an episode of the Twilight Zone - they are just that bizarre and out of control)

    You don't want to give the extremists what they want, but you are, anyway, and you're getting nothing in return. There is no 'oh, well since you played fair, we'll not drill out the eyes of our prisoner's, over here.'

    Have you paid attention to what sets them off? I have - things like a cartoon pictures and a painting of Mohammed that wasn't offensive. I'm surprised that when McD's designed the 'offensive icecream' that they didn't hack off their own hands and gouge out their own eyes (before they hacked off their hands, of course). Oh, but when the McD's cone incident did occur I bet they threatened the CEO to repent and recant, which she did, out of fear.

    We're not dealing with reasonable people.

    Heck - earlier I griped that *if you actually cared* - but really, it should be *if anyone in the entire world actually cared.*

    The Catholic Church behaved in the same way - and it led to the 100 years war, but guess what? They no longer torch non-believers and plague the world like Devils.
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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    Quote Originally Posted by DiAnna View Post
    The SCOTUS has already ruled that burning flags and books, even religious books, is protected "speech" under the first amendment. If our government suddenly bans the burning of one book... the Koran... bans creating cartoons or other images of one historical figure... Mohammad, then how many other groups will be in line to have their religious icons and deities protected from criticism as well. And what punishment should the government... the US government... mete out to those who dare exercise their constitutional rights against these protected exceptions... and all the other protected exceptions that will follow? Trial and imprisonment? Imprisonment without trial? For how long... months, years, decades? You see where this must eventually lead?

    The dominos only stand until the first one is kicked over.
    I don't think you are hearing my point Di. I agree, those idiots who retaliate with violence should exhibit greater control ...but they won't, and that is the first and most important reality here. Because it is a greater certainty that they will retaliate by the taking of innocent lives than that Americans will be asked to surrender more of their rights or freedoms. It seems a bit selfish and stubborn for anyone to suggest we stand with our feet firmly planted refusing to give an inch so that we don't appear weak when lives are at risk. I think we have a greater obligation to address the reality or what we know rather than risk those lives because of what we "fear" will happen if we do. That is a slippery slope fallacy and I never have much respect for those. I think they are rooted in unreasoned fear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Did the British tolerate anti-Indian or anti-Iraqi sentiment in the home country?
    no we didn't adapt and we lost India and the US and eventually the rest of the empire.
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    I don't think you are hearing my point Di. I agree, those idiots who retaliate with violence should exhibit greater control ...but they won't, and that is the first and most important reality here. Because it is a greater certainty that they will retaliate by the taking of innocent lives than that Americans will be asked to surrender more of their rights or freedoms. It seems a bit selfish and stubborn for anyone to suggest we stand with our feet firmly planted refusing to give an inch so that we don't appear weak when lives are at risk. I think we have a greater obligation to address the reality or what we know rather than risk those lives because of what we "fear" will happen if we do. That is a slippery slope fallacy and I never have much respect for those. I think they are rooted in unreasoned fear.
    If they think it is a reasonable response to the innocuous to kill, then they deserved to be killed in return. Simple as that.
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