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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    im not excusing their actions at all you misunderstanding me. I don't give a flying **** about extremist Muslims and their rights but I do care about the Collation forces still in Afghan who's job would get even more dangerous and harder than it already is. It isn't about the extremist Muslims its about getting our lads home and supporting them the best we can from home and if that means this idiot doesn't get to burn 3000 books then so be it.
    You are excusing their actions when you dismiss them and make it a point of saying how they just don't concern you. You made a comment about the US becoming isolationists, the more I read and see, the more I'm beginning to think it's a good idea, especially if it means you all stop believing you have some moral standing to tell us we should "sacrifice" our Constitutional rights. Where do we draw the line (or do we ever)?

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    And the public would be paying the price as a result of constant appeasement of foreign overreaction. One may disagree on whether or not each administration went too far in adapting to international terrorism, but the Bush and Obama administrations have been very clear that they do not want to dramatically alter the United States in order to combat its enemies.
    what it comes down to for me is that we are so much better than they are in every way. If they want to act like animals, disrespect other religions, murder people based on beliefs etc then let them. Countries like America/Britain/France/Canada etc are so much better than that so lets not stoop to their level.
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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    You are excusing their actions when you dismiss them and make it a point of saying how they just don't concern you. You made a comment about the US becoming isolationists, the more I read and see, the more I'm beginning to think it's a good idea, especially if it means you all stop believing you have some standing to tell we should "sacrifice" our Constitutional rights.
    We wouldn't have a say if it didn't effect us but as I have pointed out it directly effects our soldiers on the frontlines and it effects us because we our your allies. Can't have your cake and eat it my friend.
    ‘This is not peace, it is an armistice for 20 years.’ (Ferdinand Foch. After the Treaty of Versailles, 1919).

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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    what it comes down to for me is that we are so much better than they are in every way. If they want to act like animals, disrespect other religions, murder people based on beliefs etc then let them. Countries like America/Britain/France/Canada etc are so much better than that so lets not stoop to their level.
    Then why bother locking up someone who barely anyone cares about, just because a group around the world snoops in and starts blowing it out of proportion?
    Michael J Petrilli-"Is School Choice Enough?"-A response to the recent timidity of American conservatives toward education reform. https://nationalaffairs.com/publicat...-choice-enough

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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    I'm sorry to say, while I appreciate your service and respect your viewpoint IMO I think your position is wrong.

    First, being in a hostile environment means exactly that...you are going to be facing danger. Unknown enemies are going to be taking pot-shots at you whenever they can. It is not the duty of those you left behind at home to "protect" you by curbing their own freedoms; it is your job to protect yourself and you squadmates, their job to protect themselves and you, and your officer's and nco's jobs to look out for everyone within mission parameters.

    Second, the people you are facing need no excuses to shoot at you. I mean, did each one pop up and state "I'm shooting you because someone drew a picture of Mohammed!", or "I'm shooting you because someone just burned a Quoran!"...? No, they were shooting at you because they want you GONE!

    Third, you were in Afghanistan. I'm sure you are aware of the history of that part of the world. The hill tribes have been shooting at everyone including each other for as long as missile weapons have existed. Right now several are unified against western troops, just as they were unified against Russian troops, and against British Raj troops, and against the Moguls, Persians, Alexander...Again, they definitely need no special excuse to shoot at foreign soldiers stationed there.

    Why should people back home be limited in their freedoms simply because you think it might make people already hostile somehow "less" hostile? The only way that would happen is to LEAVE Afghanistan entirely (which in my opinion is the better option).

    No its wasn't insurgents shooting at us it was regular people who turned to the insurgents who had before that had been very co-operative however they turned violent because of this particular story and the pictures showing British troops torturing local prisoners. Yes you expect to be shot at in a hostile environment but you don't expect your own country to make the situation worse which was the point I was trying to make.

    ( I was in basra Iraq not afghan sorry might of been confusing).
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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Then why bother locking up someone who barely anyone cares about, just because a group around the world snoops in and starts blowing it out of proportion?
    its the 21st century he doesn't need the press its called youtube.
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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    We wouldn't have a say if it didn't effect us but as I have pointed out it directly effects our soldiers on the frontlines and it effects us because we our your allies. Can't have your cake and eat it my friend.
    As I've already said, you can criticize America and our constitution until you are blue in the face. We will not give up our constitutional rights to please murderous enemies who already want us dead... nor will we give them up because you want us to.

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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    what it comes down to for me is that we are so much better than they are in every way. If they want to act like animals, disrespect other religions, murder people based on beliefs etc then let them. Countries like America/Britain/France/Canada etc are so much better than that so lets not stoop to their level.
    "Let them?" Are you fvcking kidding? You're ok with them doing all that stuff but flip your wig over a couple burned books? We may have English in common but we truly speak a different language.

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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    its the 21st century he doesn't need the press its called youtube.
    There is nothing less civilized than mob justice.
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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    We wouldn't have a say if it didn't effect us but as I have pointed out it directly effects our soldiers on the frontlines and it effects us because we our your allies. Can't have your cake and eat it my friend.
    You actually don't have a say anyway. What other Constitutional rights would you like to see us "sacrifice" so as not to offend your sensibilities?

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