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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    Jones would have been all-but-forgotten had they not arrested him again. If a bunch of folks in the Middle East actually raise hell, because of what some guy did with an immensely small congregation, then they are the ones with issues, not us. You don't give into childish behavior, just to appease the child. If the child wants to kill its own or others in its walls because of something like this, then they deserve a strict presence by their governments.
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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity View Post
    Agreed that he has a constitutional right to free speech...

    And really, if Jones wants to continue to make it all about him on every anniversay of the 9/11 tragedy (because this is not the first time he has said he is going to burn a Quran on the anniversary of 9/11), why doesn't he just burn a Quran? I mean he should stop talking about it every year and just get it over with. Show us he's not wasting everybody's time. At least hold a match up to a Quran, get a crazed look in his eyes and wave his arms around like one of the extremist lunatics you see in the ME, dance around a little, spit a little and then do it. Burn baby burn!

    Instead he's a coward and a pussy who talks the talk but won't walk the walk. He wants to make it all about him on 9/11 and take focus away from the victims. A religious nutjob who is no different to the WBC and those he condemns. Here's a thought, next year when he goes down the same path - he should be able to burn as many as he likes. The media shouldn't give him the platform that he so desperately desires and should instead just focus on commemorating the anniversary of the attack and honor the victims and survivors without the nutjobs getting the media attention.
    I agree totally. If the guy didn't get the attention, he'd just fade away. He's like a real life troll.

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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    No I was fine with the dangers that is why I signed up when I was 16. What I didn't like was taking bullets because of bull**** from back home which had nothing to do with my mission and got in the way of the job I was supposed to be doing. Yes Common sense great word common sense, common sense would be not to let a uneducated fool incite hate and endanger countless lives. Glad you and your husband are ok with that though and of course I imagine you will be willing to pick up a rifle and protect those embassy workers who get attacked on their way to work....Thought not.
    You're still excusing their actions, and refusing to place the blame for their actions on them.

    I'm sorry - but I can't stomach the idea of just stepping aside and going 'okay - here - take whatever you want' to anyone for any reason just because they're more unhinged.
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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    Its not the muslims in the US that are the issue
    But US law is and like it or not, Jones is in the US bound by our laws no matter how horrific as you apparently believe them to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    You're still excusing their actions, and refusing to place the blame for their actions on them.

    I'm sorry - but I can't stomach the idea of just stepping aside and going 'okay - here - take whatever you want' to anyone for any reason just because they're more unhinged.
    im not excusing their actions at all you misunderstanding me. I don't give a flying **** about extremist Muslims and their rights but I do care about the Collation forces still in Afghan who's job would get even more dangerous and harder than it already is. It isn't about the extremist Muslims its about getting our lads home and supporting them the best we can from home and if that means this idiot doesn't get to burn 3000 books then so be it.
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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    No victim act from me I'm just telling you how it is. Its easy to sit on a computer and talk about your rights and no backing down etc. But the fact is you are not the one in the firing line, stopping people like this pastor protects Americans worldwide and not just soldiers either.
    And the public would be paying the price as a result of constant appeasement of foreign overreaction. One may disagree on whether or not each administration went too far in adapting to international terrorism, but the Bush and Obama administrations have been very clear that they do not want to dramatically alter the United States in order to combat its enemies.
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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    You're still excusing their actions, and refusing to place the blame for their actions on them.

    I'm sorry - but I can't stomach the idea of just stepping aside and going 'okay - here - take whatever you want' to anyone for any reason just because they're more unhinged.
    Yeah, think of the message that would send. What other Constitutional rights could they (I mean the violent nut jobs specifically) get us to "sacrifice"? Behavior that is rewarded is repeated, so if we reward the nutjobs by carving out special protective laws just for their preferred texts, how else are we going to allow ourselves to be coerced?

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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    Quote Originally Posted by Ray410 View Post
    How easily Obama gave Islam control over America. Absolutely disgusting cowardice by our leaders.
    Let us see, Florida:

    Senate of Florida: 26 republicans versus 14 democrats

    Congress of Florida: 76 republicans versus 44 democrats

    Governor of Florida: Republican


    Polk county:

    first district republican commissioner

    second district republican commissioner

    third district republican commissioner

    fourth district republican commissioner

    fifth district republican commissioner

    Sheriff is also a republican



    But who is blamed for his arrest? Of course, Obama is to blame. Not the government of Florida with all them republican leading the state or the Polk county government in which all 5 commissioners are republicans and where the sheriff is also a republican. Even if the arrest warrant would have been signed (and it is not of course, just making a point here) by all 76 republican congressman, 26 republican senators, the republican governor, all 5 republican commissioners of Polk county, the republican sheriff, all the republican members of congress of the USA, all republican senators of the USA, George W. Bush, Herman Cain, Jeb Bush, Chris Christie, Mike Huckabee, Bobby Jindall, Paul Rand, Marco Rubio, Paul Ryan, Rick Santorum, Mitt Romney, Newt Gingrich, John Huntsman, Michelle Bachman, Rick Perry and miss Alaska herself Sarah Palin had given it stamp of approval, I bet you all the conservatives would be belly aching in choir, with Fox News screaming and shouting at the top of their voices, that it was all the fault of Barack Obama.
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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    No I was fine with the dangers that is why I signed up when I was 16. What I didn't like was taking bullets because of bull**** from back home which had nothing to do with my mission and got in the way of the job I was supposed to be doing. Yes Common sense great word common sense, common sense would be not to let a uneducated fool incite hate and endanger countless lives. Glad you and your husband are ok with that though and of course I imagine you will be willing to pick up a rifle and protect those embassy workers who get attacked on their way to work....Thought not.
    I'm sorry to say, while I appreciate your service and respect your viewpoint IMO I think your position is wrong.

    First, being in a hostile environment means exactly that...you are going to be facing danger. Unknown enemies are going to be taking pot-shots at you whenever they can. It is not the duty of those you left behind at home to "protect" you by curbing their own freedoms; it is your job to protect yourself and your squadmates, their job to protect themselves and you, and your officer's and nco's jobs to look out for everyone within mission parameters.

    Second, the people you are facing need no excuses to shoot at you. I mean, did each one pop up and state "I'm shooting you because someone drew a picture of Mohammed!", or "I'm shooting you because someone just burned a Quoran!"...? No, they were shooting at you because they want you GONE!

    Third, you were in Afghanistan. I'm sure you are aware of the history of that part of the world. The hill tribes have been shooting at everyone including each other for as long as missile weapons have existed. Right now several are unified against western troops, just as they were unified against Russian troops, and against British Raj troops, and against the Moguls, Persians, Alexander...Again, they definitely need no special excuse to shoot at foreign soldiers stationed there.

    Why should people back home be limited in their freedoms simply because you think it might make people already hostile somehow "less" hostile? The only way that would happen is to LEAVE Afghanistan entirely (which in my opinion is the better option).
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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    Quote Originally Posted by X Factor View Post
    Yeah, think of the message that would send. What other Constitutional rights could they (I mean the violent nut jobs specifically) get us to "sacrifice"? Behavior that is rewarded is repeated, so if we reward the nutjobs by carving out special protective laws just for their preferred texts, how else are we going to allow ourselves to be coerced?
    The problem I have with it is it gives foreigners control over our lives. We apparently can not control what they get outraged at, and if we are supposed to just bend to their will each time they may get offended at something someone does, somewhere, we have to ask ourselves who the hell our government represents.
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