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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Not really, because had the permits been granted Mr. Jones would have no need to "prepare his bonfire" prior to arrival at the "permitted" site. It is clear that he expected to be arrested and so set up his "bonfire" to start as soon as he arrived.

    As for the "openly carried firearm?" That is another Constitutional issue I thought had been settled in two recent SCOTUS decisions...and is a topic for a gun control thread. I prefer to limit my comments to the issue at hand, Free Speech.
    lets just hope he did not intend to make a youtube video of him burning the religous books.

    can we agree that we don't need the actions of one of our religious fanatics fueling the Islamic fundamentalists hatred

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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    So,you are for shutting down mosques,are you?

    I mean, unless you are such a complete hypocrite as to only apply your principle in one direction.
    Are you pulling from your a-- to start and maintain controversy?
    Answer your own question.

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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Sorry, this thread is about freedom of speech and a respect for the rights of others. I have no intention of following you as you flit around a dozen different subjects unrelated to this thread.
    Don't dish it out if you can't take it.

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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Perhaps, but a rational speculation nonetheless; based upon the facts presented in the original and subsequent stories.

    You opened the door to that speculation by stating the same issues would arise even if the permits had been granted. I cede only the issue about the gun, which may not have been discovered at all if the police had not been laying for the gentleman and seeking to prevent his stated goal of protesting anyway.
    I did no speculating. I relied on the facts, as reported
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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    can we agree that we don't need the actions of one of our religious fanatics fueling the Islamic fundamentalists hatred
    Ok, so let's lay out all the cards on the table.

    #1. Those religious fanatics you are so worried about are burning our flag all the time correct?

    #2. You think we should be worried about "fueling" the hatred those religious fanatics feel about us correct?

    Now, can you point out the problem? Do you think that by not burning those Islamic books that somehow they will magically stop hating us? Or is this just an excuse to try and appease radical Islam. If those "religious fanatics" don't care about burning our flag, why should I give two shakes of a piss care about someone burning their books?

    Now, don't get me wrong, I don't think our military members or government members should burn those books. However, we are talking about the private U.S. citizens. They have a right and it is not illegal to do this.

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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Ok, so let's lay out all the cards on the table.

    #1. Those religious fanatics you are so worried about are burning our flag all the time correct?

    #2. You think we should be worried about "fueling" the hatred those religious fanatics feel about us correct?

    Now, can you point out the problem? Do you think that by not burning those Islamic books that somehow they will magically stop hating us? Or is this just an excuse to try and appease radical Islam. If those "religious fanatics" don't care about burning our flag, why should I give two shakes of a piss care about someone burning their books?
    i am more worried that a video of a American burning the Koran would be used by radical Islamist as part of their propaganda of us being the "great satan" and would make moderate Muslims more likely to support the Islamic fundamentalists against what the fundamentalists portray as the great enemy.

    and let us not forget that Islam is the second largest religion on earth, and the only religion that has more followers than Islam is Catholicism.

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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    So the pastor has the freedom of speech to burn books, but we don't have the freedom to criticize him for burning books?
    Of course you have the right to criticize, and I have the right to ask why you are criticizing. Is it the equivalent when people burn Bibles or flags? Do you think those forms of symbolic expression should be outlawed?

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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    i am more worried that a video of a American burning the Koran would be used by radical Islamist as part of their propaganda of us being the "great satan" and would make moderate Muslims more likely to support the Islamic fundamentalists against what the fundamentalists portray as the great enemy.

    and let us not forget that Islam is the second largest religion on earth, and the only religion that has more followers than Islam is Catholicism.
    No matter WHAT we do they will use it as propaganda for us being the "Great Satan". Hell our freedoms that we have are used against us in that, so what difference does a book burning make? I'll give you a hint, nothing. If it's not a book, it's freedoms. If it isn't freedoms it is something else. They will ALWAYS find SOMETHING to hate us for no matter what.

    If you want to give up freedoms and live in fear, move to Europe is all I can suggest. I would rather die protecting OUR freedoms, than live under THEIR oppression.

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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    i am more worried that a video of a American burning the Koran would be used by radical Islamist as part of their propaganda of us being the "great satan" and would make moderate Muslims more likely to support the Islamic fundamentalists against what the fundamentalists portray as the great enemy.

    and let us not forget that Islam is the second largest religion on earth, and the only religion that has more followers than Islam is Catholicism.
    This is exactly what Ben Franklin was referring to. Giving up certain freedom of expression due to fear of retaliation.

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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    No matter WHAT we do they will use it as propaganda for us being the "Great Satan". Hell our freedoms that we have are used against us in that, so what difference does a book burning make? I'll give you a hint, nothing. If it's not a book, it's freedoms. If it isn't freedoms it is something else. They will ALWAYS find SOMETHING to hate us for no matter what.

    If you want to give up freedoms and live in fear, move to Europe is all I can suggest. I would rather die protecting OUR freedoms, than live under THEIR oppression.
    I don't understand why anyone would think otherwise. We cannot appease them. There will always be something about us that they hate.

    That is why some people have no fear of mocking Christianity but they are absolutely TERRIFIED whenever someone mocks Islam. We should never limit our freedoms out of fear of this particular religion.

    Remember a few years back, the huge international big deal that was made out of the South Park episode that was supposed going to depict Muhammed?

    Really great post BTW! Totally agree.

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