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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    Not blindly no but you bend over and take it like the rest of us.
    Unfortunately, much of our population has become passive and accepting, and we are going the way of Europe with regard to thinking government is the answer to our problems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lizzie View Post
    Unfortunately, much of our population has become passive and accepting, and we are going the way of Europe with regard to thinking government is the answer to our problems.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Absolutely - just as people respect the rights of Muslim clerics who speak in the most vile of terms about Jews, Christians and other "infidels". Usually, the difference is that when Muslim clerics and their followers speak out, most other people simply ignore their ignorance and get on with their lives, however, when someone speaks out in an ignorant way about Muslims, those Muslims like to burn synagogs, churches and other buildings, beat people in the street, kidnap and behead those who spoke the words, etc.

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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    Quote Originally Posted by lolabird View Post
    Apparently your slanted view of freedom includes disrespecting other religions to the point of stirring up hate and division.
    So,you are for shutting down mosques,are you?

    I mean, unless you are such a complete hypocrite as to only apply your principle in one direction.
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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    Quote Originally Posted by lolabird View Post
    So you were referring to the ME? How long do you believe civil unrest has been going on in the ME?
    You've given a opening to the question of 'Should we as part of an international community intervene in Syria?'
    Sorry, this thread is about freedom of speech and a respect for the rights of others. I have no intention of following you as you flit around a dozen different subjects unrelated to this thread.
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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    Quote Originally Posted by opendebate View Post
    So if anyone cares to respond feel free. There are limitations to our rights aren't there? That whole "fire in crowded room" thing. If someone has stated that they intend to do harm and you catch them in the act (kerosene soaked books and firearm in hand) it seems like the kind of incident that would limit your rights.

    Since the time of ancient republics rights have been understood to have legal limits. The Magna Carta, the English Bill of Rights, and the Massachusetts Body of Liberties all set limits on rights.

    Citizens also have the responsibility to exercise their rights within reasonable limits that do not abridge the equal freedom of others.

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    I am honestly just looking for an intelligent conversation about this not a street fight. I am torn on this issue.
    I would refer you (and anyone else who might have missed it buried behind page one) to this post I provided on the subject.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1062305979

    As I provide legal analysis and state in that post, I believe the symbolic "book burning" is protected Free Speech, and had the municipality merely granted the requested permits there would be no issue today.
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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    I would refer you (and anyone else who might have missed it buried behind page one) to this post I provided on the subject.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1062305979

    As I provide legal analysis and state in that post, I believe the symbolic "book burning" is protected Free Speech, and had the municipality merely granted the requested permits there would be no issue today.
    While that was a good post, there would still be an issue today because the pastor broke the law by illegally and dangerously, transporting fuel, openly carrying a firearm, and not having a permit for his trailer.
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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    While that was a good post, there would still be an issue today because the pastor broke the law by illegally and dangerously, transporting fuel, openly carrying a firearm, and not having a permit for his trailer.
    Not really, because had the permits been granted Mr. Jones would have no need to "prepare his bonfire" prior to arrival at the "permitted" site. It is clear that he expected to be arrested and so set up his "bonfire" to start as soon as he arrived.

    As for the "openly carried firearm?" That is another Constitutional issue I thought had been settled in two recent SCOTUS decisions...and is a topic for a gun control thread. I prefer to limit my comments to the issue at hand, Free Speech.
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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Not really, because had the permits been granted Mr. Jones would have no need to "prepare his bonfire" prior to arrival at the "permitted" site. It is clear that he expected to be arrested and so set up his "bonfire" to start as soon as he arrived.

    As for the "openly carried firearm?" That is another Constitutional issue I thought had been settled in two recent SCOTUS decisions...and is a topic for a gun control thread. I prefer to limit my comments to the issue at hand, Free Speech.
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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Speculative. Facts not in evidence
    Perhaps, but a rational speculation nonetheless; based upon the facts presented in the original and subsequent stories.

    You opened the door to that speculation by stating the same issues would arise even if the permits had been granted. I cede only the issue about the gun, which may not have been discovered at all if the police had not been laying for the gentleman and seeking to prevent his stated goal of protesting anyway.
    If I stop responding it doesn't mean I've conceded the point or agree with you. It only means I've made my point and I don't mind you having the last word. Please wait a few minutes before "quoting" me. I often correct errors for a minute or two after I post before the final product is ready.

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