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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Well, number one, I don't live in America - that CanadaJohn user ID is usually a big give-away, if the Toronto location isn't - but having said that, I'd not be the slightest embarrassed to live in America based on the country's concepts of freedom and individual choice/responsibility.

    Secondly, why do you always refer to instances that are basically verbal assaults and have nothing to do with protesting? A skinhead picking out one minority and verbally assaulting them is not a protest, that's a verbal assault and subject to a charge in most jurisdictions. The children on the bus verbally assaulting the chaperone you mentioned earlier, also a verbal assault and not a protest. Now, if the skinhead joins other skinheads and marches in the town square to protest affirmative action, that would be freedom of speech that the government should not interfere with at all, no matter how vile or disgusting their actions may be.
    I gave you an example of what a lot of people witness on daily basis.
    Does geography really matter when it comes to humanness?
    If a preacher, a so called man of God, can publicly burn thousands of Qurans knowing that he is causing unrest in disrespecting another religion, should his act be labeled 'freedom of expression?'

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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    We agree completely except they did name the charges immediately. They just werent picked up by the press to change the character of the story. I think I posted a local link with the charges on the first or second page of this thread.
    I noted that, but I did not read all the news items, locally or otherwise. Some seem to indicate the gun charge was a later addition, which I don't get. You are either openly carrying or you are not.

    I think part of the problem has to do with the press conference delay and the media desire to be first. But that is not unusual. Better to be late and right than early and wrong.

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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    So your suggestion is to accept that and "go with the flow?" How silly.
    You need to study history and learn the true meaning of freedom. Your supercilious attitude is a turnoff.

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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    Quote Originally Posted by Fisher View Post
    Unless they charge him for something content neutral like transporting hazardous materials improperly or without a permit, they have violated his rights. Freedom of Speech is pretty well-defended in law for unpopular acts. Even black ACLU lawyers will defend the right of the KKK to burn crosses.
    I agree - and I think it will be interesting to see if the pastor's lawyers can get him off or have the charges dismissed based on the comments attributed to the various town officials related to opposition to his protest and the charges being laid simply as pretenses to stop his protest from taking place. Sometimes the ends don't justify the means.
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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    Quote Originally Posted by lolabird View Post
    I gave you an example of what a lot of people witness on daily basis.
    Does geography really matter when it comes to humanness?
    If a preacher, a so called man of God, can publicly burn thousands of Qurans knowing that he is causing unrest in disrespecting another religion, should his act be labeled 'freedom of expression?'
    Yes. Because you don't like it doesn't change that fact.

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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    Quote Originally Posted by lolabird View Post
    You need to study history and learn the true meaning of freedom. Your supercilious attitude is a turnoff.
    Another great example of avoidance.

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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    Quote Originally Posted by lolabird View Post
    I gave you an example of what a lot of people witness on daily basis.
    Does geography really matter when it comes to humanness?
    If a preacher, a so called man of God, can publicly burn thousands of Qurans knowing that he is causing unrest in disrespecting another religion, should his act be labeled 'freedom of expression?'
    Absolutely - just as people respect the rights of Muslim clerics who speak in the most vile of terms about Jews, Christians and other "infidels". Usually, the difference is that when Muslim clerics and their followers speak out, most other people simply ignore their ignorance and get on with their lives, however, when someone speaks out in an ignorant way about Muslims, those Muslims like to burn synagogs, churches and other buildings, beat people in the street, kidnap and behead those who spoke the words, etc.
    "Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." William F. Buckley Jr.

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    So if anyone cares to respond feel free. There are limitations to our rights aren't there? That whole "fire in crowded room" thing. If someone has stated that they intend to do harm and you catch them in the act (kerosene soaked books and firearm in hand) it seems like the kind of incident that would limit your rights.

    Since the time of ancient republics rights have been understood to have legal limits. The Magna Carta, the English Bill of Rights, and the Massachusetts Body of Liberties all set limits on rights.

    Citizens also have the responsibility to exercise their rights within reasonable limits that do not abridge the equal freedom of others.

    Bill of Rights Institute: Limits on Rights | Bill of Rights Institute

    I am honestly just looking for an intelligent conversation about this not a street fight. I am torn on this issue.
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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    So if anyone cares to respond feel free. There are limitations to our rights aren't there? That whole "fire in crowded room" thing. If someone has stated that they intend to do harm and you catch them in the act (kerosene soaked books and firearm in hand) it seems like the kind of incident that would limit your rights.

    Since the time of ancient republics rights have been understood to have legal limits. The Magna Carta, the English Bill of Rights, and the Massachusetts Body of Liberties all set limits on rights.

    Citizens also have the responsibility to exercise their rights within reasonable limits that do not abridge the equal freedom of others.

    Bill of Rights Institute: Limits on Rights | Bill of Rights Institute

    I am honestly just looking for an intelligent conversation about this not a street fight. I am torn on this issue.
    "Judge a man by his questions rather than his answers" - Voltaire
    "There is nothing noble in being superior to your fellow men. True nobility lies in being superior to your former self" -Hemingway

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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Yes. Because you don't like it doesn't change that fact.
    Apparently your slanted view of freedom includes disrespecting other religions to the point of stirring up hate and division.

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