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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    that is the topic. That is why he was arrested. Have you read anything?
    Nobody is arguing about the technical reasons of why he was arrested. I think the real argument here is people condemning him for the symbolic act of burning a book because they fear retaliation. That's the real interesting story here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    Because it incites hatred and puts lives at risk...
    The legal meaning of incitement and your use thereof are absolutely worlds apart.

    It really has nothing to do with the reaction of violent, oversensitive people thousands of miles away, and more to do with actually encouraging a mob towards violent action. By perverting the meaning the way you are doing, you allow the reaction to an act to determine its legality, and hand the right to limit one person's actions to the most violent people who might react.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    I agree both sides do it but there is tons of it from the right. I posted the link I thing it was post #2 or at least on the first couple of pages.
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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    Quote Originally Posted by Higgins86 View Post
    Because it incites hatred and puts lives at risk...
    False. So does burning the American flag but we allow that.
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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    I am all for his burning what ever he wants to. But this story is being circulated as he was arrested to stop his freedom of speech. It is simply not true. I imagine he did it on purpose so this dishonest story could circulate around the RW blogosphere getting everyone all work up over the PC, Obama giving the country to the muslims etc. Kinda amusing to watch, but still I think we should really look at exactly what happened.
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    Well then why are people so opposed to his burning the book? Because that's what this thread is really about.
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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    Quote Originally Posted by Gardener View Post
    The legal meaning of incitement and your use thereof are absolutely worlds apart.

    It really has nothing to do with the reaction of violent, oversensitive people thousands of miles away, and more to do with actually encouraging a mob towards violent action. By perverting the meaning the way you are doing, you allow the reaction to an act to determine its legality, and hand the right to limit one person's actions to the most violent people who might react.

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    That's how I view it too. They should be held accountable for their violent reactions. Doesn't mean this pastor isn't a trouble maker, but let's just look at some other examples of such violence.

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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    Quote Originally Posted by lolabird View Post
    If you don't understand it, why would you support it? What is your idea of freedom?
    It doesn't really matter what the symbolism was. The issue is one of freedom of speech. Iow, we all have the right to free expression. We just don't have the right to cause physical harm. We don't make exceptions to rights, based on the fact that someone's feelings may be hurt, or because we may be offended.
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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    Nobody is arguing about the technical reasons of why he was arrested. I think the real argument here is people condemning him for the symbolic act of burning a book because they fear retaliation. That's the real interesting story here.
    I'd have to agree. I hate the idea of burning books, flags, or anything of the like. However, with that said I don't think it should be illegal or have the government lean on people to prevent it. We are supposed to live in a country where freedom of expression is not only a right, but should also be encouraged regardless of whether we agree with it or not.

    I do think the Pastor though is trying to be a drama queen, because even he knows that he cannot just burn things whereever he wants to. He knows about permits and he knows this would garner attention which is what I think he was seeking.

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    Re: US Police arrest Florida pastor

    Quote Originally Posted by ChrisL View Post
    “Those who desire to give up freedom in order to gain security will not have, nor do they deserve, either one.”

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    Why do you dance around my direct questions and throw out a quote from Ben Franklin, who died 223 years ago?
    What are your thoughts on the Patriot Act adopted under the Bush Admn.? Did you feel safer after the 9-11 attacks?
    If the Florida preacher is really a man of God, why would he publicly draw attention to himself by burning thousands of Qurans? Why is it necessary to disrespect another religion and call your small-minded smugness freedom? Have you read from the Quran?

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