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    Re: Companies lay off thousands, then demand immigration reform for new labor

    Quote Originally Posted by CRUE CAB View Post
    How does this retraining work?



    People who are being paid unemployment compensation spend their time learning how to do a new job.

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    Re: Companies lay off thousands, then demand immigration reform for new labor

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    Yeah, if corporations in the hospitality, agribusiness and meat packing industries would stop knowningly hiring immigrants they can exploit, they would go home.

    I'm glad you support bringing criminal charges against CEOs who are violating immigration laws.
    I fully support treating scum who hire illegals no different than we do drug dealers, mobsters and other criminals who profit from and or use their money for illegal actives. That means subjecting them prison time, huge fines, asset seizure and forfeiture and making them lose their business licenses.I would also like to permanently bar them from ever getting a business license.


    Wait, you don't! It's more blaming the victims that conservatives always do.
    Illegals are not victims.The illegals are just as guilty as the scum who hire them.
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    Re: Companies lay off thousands, then demand immigration reform for new labor

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    We need to make sure that doesn't happen, but at the same time increasing the number of available jobs in the USA is good for everyone.
    I don't oppose immigration reform but if we are going to do it let's not do it for the sake of large corporations who want to increase their profits through cheap labor. Why not set a decent minimum wage and get health coverage established first? That way they are walking into to decent conditions to begin with. It seems harsh but realistic given current corporate behavior.

    It's things like this that cause me concerns about capitalism without strict government oversight. (but I suppose that is a topic for another thread)
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    Re: Companies lay off thousands, then demand immigration reform for new labor

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    I totally agree.

    Congress could write immigration reform and a bill to provide retraining for unemployed Americans,if it would get to work.
    Retraining to learn the art of picking tomatoes?

    The reason the *government* hasn't done any of those things is because THERE'S NO MONEY!

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    Re: Companies lay off thousands, then demand immigration reform for new labor

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    Yeah, if corporations in the hospitality, agribusiness and meat packing industries would stop knowningly hiring immigrants they can exploit, they would go home.

    I'm glad you support bringing criminal charges against CEOs who are violating immigration laws. Wait, you don't! It's more blaming the victims that conservatives always do.
    I do support just that.

    Why the man that heads the law enforcement organizations in the US doesn't, well, you ask him. He wants little to do with it or he would already be doing it. Wouldn't bother me one bit to see any CEO go to jail for violating immigration laws.
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    Re: Companies lay off thousands, then demand immigration reform for new labor

    Since this Admin took over, this economy has lost nearly 10 million jobs. They no longer exist.

    Why the Jobs Situation Is Worse Than It Looks - US News and World Report

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    Re: Companies lay off thousands, then demand immigration reform for new labor

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    I support immigration reform.
    Meaning you support Amnesty and thus more illegal immigration.You either support amnesty/legal status with either a future promise of enforcement that never happens or enforcement before amnesty happens which enforcement stops once all the 20 million plus illegals in this country have amnesty/legal status.And either way we will have be in this same exact situation 20 something years from now except instead of 20 million plus illegals it will be 60 million plus illegals.

    I also support retraining out of work Americans to fill jobs.
    You do realize these pro-illegal scum are also trying to import more skilled workers? This whole lets legalize illegals and import more workers is nothing more than a scam to drive down wages.
    It is possible to do both things, if congress would get to work.
    I would rather congress enact and enforce laws similar to those in Oklahoma,Arizona,Alabama and other anti-illegal immigration states.Illegals can't get jobs and enact the following


    1.Crack down on the scum who hire illegals.Treat them no different than we do drug dealers and other criminals who profit from and or use their money for illegal activities.

    2. In order to get any ID or driver's license you present a birth certificate,in rare cases a Non-Availability of Birth Certificate/Certificate of No Record, green card, or certificate of naturalization and social security card.After that require a state issued ID or driver's license in order to the following-

    -enroll yourself into school
    -enroll your minor kids into school
    -apply for welfare,food stamps,section 8 housing and any other tax payer assistance for yourself and or your children
    -get a business license,fishing/hunting permit,building permit, license to practice law, food handlers permit, gun license(in states that require a permit to buy a gun),concealed carry permit(in states that require a license to conceal carry) or any other tax payer funded service
    -open a bank account, cash a check, use a credit/debit/pre-paid card, apply for a loan,or wire money.
    -rent,borrow,lease or buy property
    -rent,borrow,lease or buy a motor vehicle.
    -get legal documents for yourself or your children.
    -get utilities

    3.Mandate E-verify for every employer.

    4.Repeal part of the immigration and nationality act of 1965 that allows for the chain migration of relatives other than spouse or minor children.This would virtually eliminate anchor babies.


    These solutions would make it extremely hard for illegals to get a job and for illegals to profit from their illegal residence in the US.
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    Re: Companies lay off thousands, then demand immigration reform for new labor

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    1. It's not a zero sum game. Hardworking immigrants create wealth and jobs.

    2. Legalizing the status of immigrants will stop companies from exploiting them, which is what drives down wages for everybody.
    No it won't. The last amnesty from Regan shows this to not be true. Otherwise we wouldn't be having this discussion.
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    Re: Companies lay off thousands, then demand immigration reform for new labor

    Quote Originally Posted by head of joaquin View Post
    1. It's not a zero sum game. Hardworking immigrants create wealth and jobs.

    2. Legalizing the status of immigrants will stop companies from exploiting them, which is what drives down wages for everybody.
    1. I agree it's not zero sum. Importing a herd of unskilled, uneducated workers from Mexico and giving them access to our social network would surely be a windfall for companies that will displace American workers who are quickly being assigned part time jobs so the companies can avoid the penalties associated with Obamacare. It looks to me that some in government want to give us piss milkshakes to go with our crap sandwich.

    2. You're going to have to explain to me how a herd of unskilled, uneducated workers flooding the labor market is going to drive wages up, for anyone.

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    Re: Companies lay off thousands, then demand immigration reform for new labor

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    No it won't. The last amnesty from Regan shows this to not be true. Otherwise we wouldn't be having this discussion.
    Yeah, legalizing those illegals here won't stop new ones from coming in and hence there will always be companies to take advantage of their situation. The legalizing of illegals back during Reagan was also suppose to put illegal immigration to bed, solve the problem once and for good. It didn't. Perhaps the questions is should we be rewarding people who broke the law? If I remember right, the figure was 3 million illegals during Reagan, what is it now, 11, 12 million or more. I read of figures as high as 20 million. Legalizing those all ready here won't do one thing to stop more from coming and we will go through this whole thing in another 20 years. We either enforce our laws or we don't.

    Once the USA was known as "The land of Laws" now we are known as the "The land which only enforces the laws they want too."
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