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    Re: Obama promises Syria ‘won’t be another Afghanistan’

    No Mr. President, it could be a lot more far reaching.

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    Re: Obama promises Syria ‘won’t be another Afghanistan’

    Quote Originally Posted by Ari View Post
    I thought the first definition applied when it's used as a noun, then when it's used as a verb it can refer to non-religious campaigns. Because of this I thought Medusa was saying TWOT is a manifestation of religious sentiments from the crusades. Thank you for enlightening me.
    As for the second part, agreed. Although, I believe there are other options. Maybe if they can locate the Sarin, they could send in a relatively small force throw in seal team 6, then take or destroy the Sarin.
    Medusa is Turkish, and has some difficulty with the English language although she does her best. Also, it seems likely that she is muslim (although I am not sure of this) and sees our repeated actions in the Middle East as a war against Islam labeled as a war on terror having some foundation:

    On Sunday, Bush warned Americans that "this crusade, this war on terrorism, is going to take awhile." He and other US officials have said that renegade Islamic fundamentalist Osama bin Laden is the most likely suspect in the attacks.
    Europe cringes at Bush 'crusade' against terrorists - CSMonitor.com

    We may have overlooked Bush Jr’s statements, but the rest of the world hasn’t. I think we should cut her some slack and focus on the issue...

    I also agree that instead of making a grand production out of it the best use of Presidential war powers are quick and deadly surgical strikes on clearly defined targets. I’ve already said as much in a reply to an armchair general in a different thread.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/genera...post1062293419
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    Re: Obama promises Syria ‘won’t be another Afghanistan’

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Medusa is Turkish, and has some difficulty with the English language although she does her best. Also, it seems likely that she is muslim (although I am not sure of this) and sees our repeated actions in the Middle East as a war against Islam labeled as a war on terror having some foundation:



    Europe cringes at Bush 'crusade' against terrorists - CSMonitor.com

    We may have overlooked Bush Jr’s statements, but the rest of the world hasn’t. I think we should cut her some slack and focus on the issue...

    I also agree that instead of making a grand production out of it the best use of Presidential war powers are quick and deadly surgical strikes on clearly defined targets. I’ve already said as much in a reply to an armchair general in a different thread.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/genera...post1062293419
    Different perspectives. I see it as a war on terrorists with too much collateral damage.

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    Re: Obama promises Syria ‘won’t be another Afghanistan’

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Look, how about we cut the crusade crap? That was hundreds of years ago, and Muslim extremists have more than made up for anything that happened then. I don't like Obama, but I'm not going to dredge up old history about crusades. And Muslims weren't innocent then either.
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    Re: Obama promises Syria ‘won’t be another Afghanistan’

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    First off, all of you need to stop correcting Medusa on her use of the term "crusade." Yes, when it is used as a noun with a capital "C" it refers to any one of several Christian religious wars occurring over a certain period of European history. However, her current usage is essentially correct, since a crusade (small "c") is a vigorous concerted action to promote or eliminate something. You all know she is properly using the term, and to try to divert the argument down a path of semantics is fallacious and unworthy of debate.


    The problem is that Bush used the term in the small "c" sense and Medusa is trying to spin it as him using it in the large C sense, or using them interchangeably.

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    Re: Obama promises Syria ‘won’t be another Afghanistan’

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    The problem is that Bush used the term in the small "c" sense and Medusa is trying to spin it as him using it in the large C sense, or using them interchangeably.
    So? As I already explained she is from the Middle East, is likely a muslim, and perceives our actions the same way most of her peers in that segment of the world do. This is a "truth" to them, regardless of how we see it. Ignore it and focus on the issue is all I am saying.
    If I stop responding it doesn't mean I've conceded the point or agree with you. It only means I've made my point and I don't mind you having the last word. Please wait a few minutes before "quoting" me. I often correct errors for a minute or two after I post before the final product is ready.

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    Re: Obama promises Syria ‘won’t be another Afghanistan’

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    So? As I already explained she is from the Middle East, is likely a muslim, and perceives our actions the same way most of her peers in that segment of the world do. This is a "truth" to them, regardless of how we see it. Ignore it and focus on the issue is all I am saying.
    It's really not that easy, CA. You can't focus on the real issues if there is no common understanding. If Medusa is bound and determined to see US actions in the ME as some extension of the Crusades then it really doesn't matter what the real issues are because we likely have very different ideas of what the real issues are even if we use the same words.

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    Re: Obama promises Syria ‘won’t be another Afghanistan’

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    It's really not that easy, CA. You can't focus on the real issues if there is no common understanding. If Medusa is bound and determined to see US actions in the ME as some extension of the Crusades then it really doesn't matter what the real issues are because we likely have very different ideas of what the real issues are even if we use the same words.
    The problem lies in our understanding too. We think of our actions as political responses to political actions. THEY think they are engaged in a holy war against us caused by what appears to be our constant interference in their "purely religious" disputes. IMO ignoring that is part of the communication problem.
    If I stop responding it doesn't mean I've conceded the point or agree with you. It only means I've made my point and I don't mind you having the last word. Please wait a few minutes before "quoting" me. I often correct errors for a minute or two after I post before the final product is ready.

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    Re: Obama promises Syria ‘won’t be another Afghanistan’

    Quote Originally Posted by Ari View Post
    Sorry, but adding "crusade" to "the war on terror" doesn't make the war on terror a crusade.
    Extended military expedition by a Christian nation against Muslim nations pretty closely fits the definition.

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    Re: Obama promises Syria ‘won’t be another Afghanistan’

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    Medusa is Turkish, and has some difficulty with the English language although she does her best. Also, it seems likely that she is muslim (although I am not sure of this) and sees our repeated actions in the Middle East as a war against Islam labeled as a war on terror having some foundation:



    Europe cringes at Bush 'crusade' against terrorists - CSMonitor.com

    We may have overlooked Bush Jr’s statements, but the rest of the world hasn’t. I think we should cut her some slack and focus on the issue...

    I also agree that instead of making a grand production out of it the best use of Presidential war powers are quick and deadly surgical strikes on clearly defined targets. I’ve already said as much in a reply to an armchair general in a different thread.

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/genera...post1062293419

    where do you think l had a problem in this thread ?

    interesting

    okay l read your other posts and" liked" it.
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