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    Re: Obama promises Syria ‘won’t be another Afghanistan’

    Obama promises Syria ‘won’t be another Afghanistan’
    That's because he is a Nobel prize winner.

    Crusaders has nothing to do with it.

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    Re: Obama promises Syria ‘won’t be another Afghanistan’

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    obama alllies with them in syria ,not me
    And you haven't seen me agree with these strikes either.
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    Re: Obama promises Syria ‘won’t be another Afghanistan’

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    And you haven't seen me agree with these strikes either.
    l think so

    but did you feel the same about other springs in this region ?
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    Re: Obama promises Syria ‘won’t be another Afghanistan’

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    if he is really against them ,he should take assad's side
    One question though: why is the Turkish government anti-Assad?

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    Re: Obama promises Syria ‘won’t be another Afghanistan’

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Look, how about we cut the crusade crap?
    Why? We won. I've been very friendly with the Ummah, I have learned a lot, and respect a lot. But if there is a portion who wants war? Onward Christian Soldiers... This time, we'll lead with the Lion of Lechistan...

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    Re: Obama promises Syria ‘won’t be another Afghanistan’

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    yes it does


    whether you like or not

    imperialism always need some people who will ignore the imperialism,
    what a pity
    A crusade is a medieval military expedition, one of a series made by Europeans to recover the Holy Land from the Muslims in the 11th, 12th, and 13th centuries. You're falsely calling the war on terror something it's obviously not. Both the crusades and TWOT both have imperialistic aspects, but that doesn't make the war on terror imperialistic.
    Last edited by Ari; 09-09-13 at 06:50 AM.

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    Re: Obama promises Syria ‘won’t be another Afghanistan’

    Quote Originally Posted by Medusa View Post
    obama alllies with them in syria ,not me

    if he is really against them ,he should take assad's side
    He shouldn't take any sides he should stay out of it unless there's a UN resolution.

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    Re: Obama promises Syria ‘won’t be another Afghanistan’

    First off, all of you need to stop correcting Medusa on her use of the term "crusade." Yes, when it is used as a noun with a capital "C" it refers to any one of several Christian religious wars occurring over a certain period of European history. However, her current usage is essentially correct, since a crusade (small "c") is a vigorous concerted action to promote or eliminate something. You all know she is properly using the term, and to try to divert the argument down a path of semantics is fallacious and unworthy of debate.

    Having said that IMO Obama is making a promise that he cannot keep. He states his action is to send a message that use of chemical weapons will not be tolerated. His tools are to be air and missile strikes. No matter how "targeted," such weapons still have an "area effect" and there is no guarantee innocent civilians of all ages will not be harmed.

    Furthermore, such strikes will neither eliminate the chemical weapons nor prevent their use should either side decide it's in their interests to do so. The only way to truly eliminate such weapons would be to send in a massive military ground force to take control of Syria and do a complete and thorough search to locate and destroy all caches of chemical weapons.

    That would mean "boots on the ground," and placing American military units at risk of attack by all sides in the current conflict. Thus, escalation from air/missile strike seems inevitable once we commit to "punishing Syria and preventing further use of chemical weapons." When will we learn that sometimes the best policy is to just let the citizens of a sovereign nation figure things out for themselves without our interference?
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    Re: Obama promises Syria ‘won’t be another Afghanistan’

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Adverse View Post
    First off, all of you need to stop correcting Medusa on her use of the term "crusade." Yes, when it is used as a noun with a capital "C" it refers to any one of several Christian religious wars occurring over a certain period of European history. However, her current usage is essentially correct, since a crusade (small "c") is a vigorous concerted action to promote or eliminate something. You all know she is properly using the term, and to try to divert the argument down a path of semantics is fallacious and unworthy of debate.

    Having said that IMO Obama is making a promise that he cannot keep. He states his action is to send a message that use of chemical weapons will not be tolerated. His tools are to be air and missile strikes. No matter how "targeted," such weapons still have an "area effect" and there is no guarantee innocent civilians of all ages will not be harmed.

    Furthermore, such strike will neither eliminate the chemical weapons nor prevent their use should either side decide it's in their interests to do so. The only way to eliminate such weapons so would be to send in a massive military ground force to take control of Syria and do a complete and thorough search to locate and destroy all caches of chemical weapons.

    That would mean "boots on the ground," and placing American military units at risk of attack by all sides in the current conflict. Thus, escalation from air/missile strike seems inevitable once we commit to "punishing Syria and preventing further use of chemical weapons." When will we learn that sometimes the best policy is to just let the citizens of a sovereign nation figure things out for themselves without our interference?
    I thought the first definition applied when it's used as a noun, then when it's used as a verb it can refer to non-religious campaigns. Because of this I thought Medusa was saying TWOT is a manifestation of religious sentiments from the crusades. Thank you for enlightening me.
    As for the second part, agreed. Although, I believe there are other options. Maybe if they can locate the Sarin, they could send in a relatively small force possibly including seal team 6, then take or destroy the Sarin.
    Last edited by Ari; 09-09-13 at 07:56 AM.

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    Re: Obama promises Syria ‘won’t be another Afghanistan’

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Obama has never kept a promise yet.
    There was something about promising his kids they could have a dog....

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