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12 US intelligence officials tell Obama that Assad did not use chemical weapons

Yeah he was.....also Germany joined in as the 11th of the G20 to back our play.

European urge US to await UN report on Syria
Associated Press – 18 mins ago

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European foreign ministers on Saturday endorsed a "clear and strong response" to a chemical weapons attack that strongly points to the Syrian government, but they urged the U.S. to delay possible military action until U.N. inspectors report their findings.

U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry, trying to make the Obama administration's case for a strike, thanked the European Union for a "strong statement about the need for accountability."

Kerry said he would share his counterparts' concern with U.S. officials. A senior State Department official who attended Kerry's meeting with the ministers in Lithuania said Kerry made clear that the U.S. has not made any decision to wait.

The official spoke on condition of anonymity to disclose details about the private meeting.

Later, at a news conference in Paris with French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius, Kerry said "this is not the time to be silent spectators to slaughter" and that "this is not the time to allow a dictator unfettered use of some of the heinous weapons on earth."

Fabius said that "punishment is not at odds with a political solution. ... Bashar Assad will not participate in any negotiation as long as he sees himself as invincible.".....snip~

European urge US to await UN report on Syria

The idea that Assad believes himself invincible in the face of the might, power and influence of the United States of America is ludicrous.
 
The idea that Assad believes himself invincible in the face of the might, power and influence of the United States of America is ludicrous.

:lol: I see you caught that too eh Mags.
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Sounds like some in the West are a bit upset that their Boyz. (the Rebels) were getting it taken to them, and that they feel like Assad just keeps rubbing their faces in it. Since he wouldn't do what Obama said and step down.

So truly that was the first line Assad stepped over of an Obama line. Assad <<<<<Nah.....I don't think so.

So the West helped aid the Saud and Qataris who all backed the Rebels thinking they will mop up Assad like they did Gadhafi.....Assad. <<<<<Nah I don't think so. I am fighting terrorists. Uhoo I'm Still Here.

Then the UN coming out with the Press and saying the Rebels aren't such good guys.....Assad. I told you so! Rebels are killing unarmed civilians, Christians, and are massacring prisoners who have surrendered. In Yo Face.


So yep the US and all think Assad thinks he is invincible. :roll:
 
:lol: I see you caught that too eh Mags.
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Sounds like some in the West are a bit upset that their Boyz. (the Rebels) were getting it taken to them, and that they feel like Assad just keeps rubbing their faces in it. Since he wouldn't do what Obama said and step down.

So truly that was the first line Assad stepped over of an Obama line. Assad <<<<<Nah.....I don't think so.

So the West helped aid the Saud and Qataris who all backed the Rebels thinking they will mop up Assad like they did Gadhafi.....Assad. <<<<<Nah I don't think so. I am fighting terrorists. Uhoo I'm Still Here.

Then the UN coming out with the Press and saying the Rebels aren't such good guys.....Assad. I told you so! Rebels are killing unarmed civilians, Christians, and are massacring prisoners who have surrendered. In Yo Face.


So yep the US and all think Assad thinks he is invincible. :roll:

I doubt that Assad isn't sweating it out, but he does have strong backing that Saddam Hussein and Gaddafi didn't!
 
I doubt that Assad isn't sweating it out, but he does have strong backing that Saddam Hussein and Gaddafi didn't!

Assad is under the safe assumption that Obama isn't going to do anything.
 
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As of today, the EU now disagrees with the 'illogical' argument...

Well if the EU said it than it must be true

Time to go to war and bomb some brown people! Obama! Obama! Obama!
 
I doubt that Assad isn't sweating it out, but he does have strong backing that Saddam Hussein and Gaddafi didn't!

He knows its borrowed time.....he can't take on the World.
 
He knows its borrowed time.....he can't take on the World.

He doesn't have the whole world against him. But I did say, I think, that he doesn't think himself invincible as someone else suggested, but is likely sweating it.
 
At this point it's hard to say for certainty which side used the chemical weapons. I would also have to question just how much up to the minute info a (former) co-worker would have access to. And the way the GOP have been fighting everything Obama has done or tried to do, taking the word of those that worked for former Republican admins would be hard to do. With the Dems pointing fingers at the Reps, and the Reps pointing fingers at the Dems no one is to be beleaved. Personally I think we should let them fight it out among themselves and let Russia deal with it.




That sounds like a pretty good idea except for one thing: It provides no immediate relief for the totally innocent Syrian men , women and children who have been and are being killed by the Syrian government..
 
He knows its borrowed time.....he can't take on the World.

Neoconservatives Planned Regime Change Throughout the Middle East and North Africa 20 Years Ago

General Wesley Clark ... said the aim of this plot [to "destroy the governments in ... Iraq, ... Syria, Lebanon, Libya, Somalia, Sudan and Iran”] was this: “They wanted us to destabilize the Middle East, turn it upside down, make it under our control.” He then recounted a conversation he had had ten years earlier with Paul Wolfowitz — back in 1991 — in which the then-number-3-Pentagon-official, after criticizing Bush 41 for not toppling Saddam, told Clark: “But one thing we did learn [from the Persian Gulf War] is that we can use our military in the region – in the Middle East – and the Soviets won’t stop us. And we’ve got about 5 or 10 years to clean up those old Soviet regimes – Syria, Iran [sic], Iraq – before the next great superpower comes on to challenge us.” Clark said he was shocked by Wolfowitz’s desires because, as Clark put it: “the purpose of the military is to start wars and change governments? It’s not to deter conflicts?”

Notice he said they thought Russia wouldn't try to stop us!!!!


http://www.zerohedge.com/contribute...ughout-middle-east-and-north-africa-20-year-0
 
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He doesn't have the whole world against him. But I did say, I think, that he doesn't think himself invincible as someone else suggested, but is likely sweating it.

Well I meant most who are anybody. All he can do now is play to the camera with the dead that's come out in the strikes. As it clear we are now going to change the balance of things and give the rebels the favor of winning. Regime Change.
 
At this point it's hard to say for certainty which side used the chemical weapons. I would also have to question just how much up to the minute info a (former) co-worker would have access to. And the way the GOP have been fighting everything Obama has done or tried to do, taking the word of those that worked for former Republican admins would be hard to do. With the Dems pointing fingers at the Reps, and the Reps pointing fingers at the Dems no one is to be beleaved. Personally I think we should let them fight it out among themselves and let Russia deal with it.




Let's see, if I'm counting this right, it is Russia's turn to waste their time and treasure on a lost cause in the Middle East. We need to stand back and let it happen.

After Russia gets sick of kicking their collective ass, we can have our turn when it comes up again.
 
Don't know what's true and what's not anymore. With any supposed intelligence coming from the White House. Under ANY president.

To think we are either entitled to, or know, "the rest of the story," is arrogant and stupid almost beyond belief.

But here's what I think: We've GOT to change what we're doing overall. It's not working. We are simply reacting. And, in this case, reacting in the worst possible way. Upping the ante, so to speak. It's not WORKING!!

If I were President of the United States, I would want a sit-down with Syria's leadership. I would ask him to his face if his government was responsible for chemical attacks. If he said no, which I would expect him to do, I would ask him how he can guarantee it will never happen again. Or, if it does, what he thinks the world should do about it. Because it is UNACCEPTABLE.

Then I would want a sit-down with rebel leadership and ask the same exact thing.

Eye-to-eye, man-to-man. One last ditch effort to make sure it never happens again. "We are watching you. If it happens again? We will ask not one more question. We will act on our intelligence and carpet bombing of either side is a foregone conclusion."



As I understand this mess, the Syrian citizens rose up and rebeled against the government. That's two sides. The Russians and the Iranians have weighted in with weapons and strategic support. Two more. Hezbollah and Al Qaeda are in there and fighting. Two more. So, we have at least six sides to deal with. I wouldn't be at all surprised if elements of the Muslim Brotherhood and the Libyan Rebels are also there.

They're making Arab sausage over there and there is no right and no wrong. There is only self interest, misery, death and a lost chance for another country's people.
 
Well I meant most who are anybody. All he can do now is play to the camera with the dead that's come out in the strikes. As it clear we are now going to change the balance of things and give the rebels the favor of winning. Regime Change.




I will just repeat what I have said about the Syrian civil war several times: No matter which side 'wins' it won't be good for the USA, the region, or the Syrian people.It will end up like Iraq, only worse because Syria has a lot more minority groups. It will be a huge human rights disaster. Sorry, but that's the way that it looks to me and I don't see how any force on this planet can change that.

A lot of people in Syria made the mistake of being born in the wrong neighborhood.
 
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I will just repeat what I have said about the Syrian civil war several times: No matter which side 'wins' it won't be good for the USA, the region, or the Syrian people.It will end up like Iraq, only worse because Syria has a lot more minority groups. It will be a huge human rights disaster. Sorry, but that's the way that it looks to me and I don't see how any force on this planet can change that.

Heya SN :2wave: .....I think we should stay out and let it break up into the 3 regions it is. Then take things from there. ;)
 
But Obama would never ever lie to us? How can this possibly be true? ;)

These folks likely would assert that Benghazi was not about protestig a movie either - they are the liars.




You could be right.

But on the other hand, you could be wrong.

We'll just have to wait and see how all of this turns out.

I predict that no one will be happy when this is all over with.

I certainly don't expect that I will be happy.
 
You could be right.

But on the other hand, you could be wrong.

We'll just have to wait and see how all of this turns out.

I predict that no one will be happy when this is all over with.

I certainly don't expect that I will be happy.

It has been nearly a year since Obama assured us that those responsible for Benghazi would be brought to justice. The only thing for sure about anything federal: it will be very complicated, it will be very slow and it will be very, very expensive. ;)
 
Heya SN :2wave: .....I think we should stay out and let it break up into the 3 regions it is. Then take things from there. ;)




Believe it or not, that's almost exactly what I thought about Iraq.

I believe that the main reason that didn't happen was because the USA didn't want to step on Turkey's toes. Turkey was afraid that this would ultimately lead to the Kurds in Iraq, Iran,Syria, and Turkey joining together to form a new nation - Kurdistan. It would have a population of 35-40 million people and would occupy about 400, 000 square kilometers.

This could still happen, it's a very real possibility.
 
Believe it or not, that's almost exactly what I thought about Iraq.

I believe that the main reason that didn't happen was because the USA didn't want to step on Turkey's toes. Turkey was afraid that this would ultimately lead to the Kurds in Iraq, Iran,Syria, and Turkey joining together to form a new nation - Kurdistan. It would have a population of 35-40 million people and would occupy about 400, 000 square kilometers.

This could still happen, it's a very real possibility.

Yep, especially with AQ and the Al Nusra chasing the Kurds out of Syria. Gain more territory through Iraq as it falls back into its sectarian divide. Either way.....the Shia now know time is also against them. Their numbers are being reduced dramatically. In all regions they dwell.
 
The title is misleading. These are former intelligence officials, with no access to intel and of questionable sanity.
 
The title is misleading. These are former intelligence officials, with no access to intel and of questionable sanity.



Wrong again! But no surprise. They are BOTH former and current.
 
Wrong again! But no surprise. They are BOTH former and current.

Read your OP article:

a dozen former U.S. military and intelligence officials are telling President Obama that they are picking up information that undercuts the Official Story.
:roll:

Seriously, you posted the article... how could you not know it is 12 former intel and military officials making the statement?
 
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At this point it's hard to say for certainty which side used the chemical weapons. I would also have to question just how much up to the minute info a (former) co-worker would have access to. And the way the GOP have been fighting everything Obama has done or tried to do, taking the word of those that worked for former Republican admins would be hard to do. With the Dems pointing fingers at the Reps, and the Reps pointing fingers at the Dems no one is to be beleaved. Personally I think we should let them fight it out among themselves and let Russia deal with it.

Let's clear something up.. those who work in the intel community are not partisan. They are lifers in that career. 27-year CIA veteran is not political and reaching briefer status is a status symbol (being a company man). Ray McGovern was critical on Iraq and critical on Syria for whatever reason. So political he and these he represents are not.

It's only those who are politically appointed who are partisan and are the ones who are brought out on tv for the public to listen to. The information collected and given to those who are politically appointed are tailored to the admins position. So real intel is white washed with a story to fit the narrative of the day. John Brennan is a political appointee and has been for years. He is biggest asshat in the world and most powerful person in the world. He tells the President what the "truth" is.
 
That's the point. Making statements of fact without all the info is in my opinion, silly. I tend to ignore people such as this.

I retired from the U.S.Navy in 1996, up until about 3 years ago I had some good friends that were still in. We would talk every now and then, talk about the changes going on and about missions they had been on. But as a former sailor there were things that I didn't have the need nor clearance to know. Same with this guy.

Having a clearance in the Navy is like having clearance to reading a newspaper. This guy had clearance that gave him access to all intel. He was giving White House briefings. That means it spanned everything. So he had clearance to everything. So he knows people who are still active and are hold top spots in those sections today.
 
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Yeah he was.....also Germany joined in as the 11th of the G20 to back our play.

European urge US to await UN report on Syria
Associated Press – 18 mins ago

17ab3bc12f32b31e3c0f6a706700a271.jpg


European foreign ministers on Saturday endorsed a "clear and strong response" to a chemical weapons attack that strongly points to the Syrian government, but they urged the U.S. to delay possible military action until U.N. inspectors report their findings.

U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry, trying to make the Obama administration's case for a strike, thanked the European Union for a "strong statement about the need for accountability."

Kerry said he would share his counterparts' concern with U.S. officials. A senior State Department official who attended Kerry's meeting with the ministers in Lithuania said Kerry made clear that the U.S. has not made any decision to wait.

The official spoke on condition of anonymity to disclose details about the private meeting.

Later, at a news conference in Paris with French Foreign Minister Laurent Fabius, Kerry said "this is not the time to be silent spectators to slaughter" and that "this is not the time to allow a dictator unfettered use of some of the heinous weapons on earth."

Fabius said that "punishment is not at odds with a political solution. ... Bashar Assad will not participate in any negotiation as long as he sees himself as invincible.".....snip~

European urge US to await UN report on Syria

It sounds to me that the EU supporting US but asking the inspectors data first is a typical move. Go for it, we support you, but wait inspectors first. Inspectors claim that Assad did not used the gas and the EU has a clear face that it supported US nevertheless, but under the "new" light that Assad did not use gas, well they can respond "tough luck USA."
 
Believe it or not, that's almost exactly what I thought about Iraq.

I believe that the main reason that didn't happen was because the USA didn't want to step on Turkey's toes. Turkey was afraid that this would ultimately lead to the Kurds in Iraq, Iran,Syria, and Turkey joining together to form a new nation - Kurdistan. It would have a population of 35-40 million people and would occupy about 400, 000 square kilometers.

This could still happen, it's a very real possibility.

Nah, I am entirely skeptical about this.
 
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